QPR v Hull 29/12/2019 1 - 2

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QPR v Hull 29/12/2019 1 - 2 Dec 29, 2019 21:22:47 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Dec 29, 2019 21:22:47 GMT

Today was a game that started so well but in typical QPR style and in the true spirit of Christmas we handed yet more presents to the opposition.

Lumley might now find himself on the bench for the rest of the season. It's no good pulling off decent saves if you are going to present the opposition with the softish of goals. Unfortunately despite making some decent saves the schoolboy error he made will get the headlines and the strikers failure to hit the back of the net will be mostly glossed over.

If I were in charge at QPR both Hugill and Wells would be returned to their Premiership teams because they are poor strikers who are not good enough at this level. They miss chance after chance and as I said at the start of the season their records as goal scorers do not warrant the suggested salaries they get paid.

BOS and Chair both did well and once Eze and Manning leave these two will be the main men next season. Rangel, Hall and Leistner all did ok but we need to sign better.

On the pitch we are rudderless and we lack a leader who can tell the likes of Eze that it's not all about tricks and turns but sometimes doing the simple things can be much more effective.

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QPR v Hull 29/12/2019 1 - 2 Dec 29, 2019 21:59:32 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Dec 29, 2019 21:59:32 GMT

Dec 29, 2019 20:41:19 GMT @singlespeed said:

Somebody like glen Murray at Brighton
Is there a lower league powerhouse we could get in

Murray is now 36 and struggles to play more than 30 minutes.

There are several decent young strikers in the lower leagues but their clubs know they are prospects and can demand premium prices.

Last season we had a chance of signing the prolific Lawrence Shankland on a free but we passed him by. He is now scoring at better than a goal a game for Dundee Utd.

Another young striker in the Scottish Championship is Kevin Nisbet who is at Dunfermline and scores at a rate of just over a goal a game.

Even somebody like Kabongo Tshimanga who scored against us in pre season for Borehamwood and continues to score goals in the National League would be worth a punt.

I suspect that what we have paid in loan fees and wages for Wells and Hugill would have bought all three.

The question we need to ask is that if I can spot these players why hasn't our so called scouting team?

Last Edit: Dec 29, 2019 22:01:08 GMT by stoatey

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QPR v Hull 29/12/2019 1 - 2 Dec 30, 2019 8:09:03 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Dec 30, 2019 8:09:03 GMT

At the turn of the last decade QPR had 33 points, sitting in mid table of the Championship.

10 years on, despite all the money, hundreds of transfers and trillions spent, promotions, relegations, new owners, Wembley, countless new managers and FFP fines we sit on 32 points in the middle of the Championship.

We've effectively ended up at the end of the decade where we started it. Only at QPR.

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QPR v Hull 29/12/2019 1 - 2 Dec 30, 2019 8:24:42 GMT

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Post by surrey chad on Dec 30, 2019 8:24:42 GMT

Dec 29, 2019 21:59:32 GMT stoatey said:

Dec 29, 2019 20:41:19 GMT @singlespeed said:

Somebody like glen Murray at Brighton
Is there a lower league powerhouse we could get in

Murray is now 36 and struggles to play more than 30 minutes.

There are several decent young strikers in the lower leagues but their clubs know they are prospects and can demand premium prices.

Last season we had a chance of signing the prolific Lawrence Shankland on a free but we passed him by. He is now scoring at better than a goal a game for Dundee Utd.

Another young striker in the Scottish Championship is Kevin Nisbet who is at Dunfermline and scores at a rate of just over a goal a game.

Even somebody like Kabongo Tshimanga who scored against us in pre season for Borehamwood and continues to score goals in the National League would be worth a punt.

I suspect that what we have paid in loan fees and wages for Wells and Hugill would have bought all three.

The question we need to ask is that if I can spot these players why hasn't our so called scouting team?

Apparently Les Ferdinand was watching him yesterday. www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/1051408/qpr-tracking-dundee-united-star-lawrence-shankland/

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QPR v Hull 29/12/2019 1 - 2 Dec 30, 2019 9:35:21 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Dec 30, 2019 9:35:21 GMT

Dec 30, 2019 8:24:42 GMT surrey chad said:

Dec 29, 2019 21:59:32 GMT stoatey said:

Murray is now 36 and struggles to play more than 30 minutes.

There are several decent young strikers in the lower leagues but their clubs know they are prospects and can demand premium prices.

Last season we had a chance of signing the prolific Lawrence Shankland on a free but we passed him by. He is now scoring at better than a goal a game for Dundee Utd.

Another young striker in the Scottish Championship is Kevin Nisbet who is at Dunfermline and scores at a rate of just over a goal a game.

Even somebody like Kabongo Tshimanga who scored against us in pre season for Borehamwood and continues to score goals in the National League would be worth a punt.

I suspect that what we have paid in loan fees and wages for Wells and Hugill would have bought all three.

The question we need to ask is that if I can spot these players why hasn't our so called scouting team?

Apparently Les Ferdinand was watching him yesterday. www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/1051408/qpr-tracking-dundee-united-star-lawrence-shankland/

Shankland has been a prolific goal scorer at every club he has played for and when his contract ended at Ayr in the summer we could have got him for for nothing. However, it's better late than never that we are having a look, maybe Sir Les reads our posts

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QPR v Hull 29/12/2019 1 - 2 Dec 30, 2019 12:09:31 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Dec 30, 2019 12:09:31 GMT

Dec 29, 2019 22:32:20 GMT @singlespeed said:

Somebody that plays the style of Murray
I’m not going to suggest a 36 year old am I
I’m not that thick by the way

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QPR v Hull 29/12/2019 1 - 2 Dec 31, 2019 19:52:31 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Dec 31, 2019 19:52:31 GMT

Well I watched the full 90 mins and here is my last set of comments in 2019:

The first 25 minutes were all QPR and showed Hull as coming to defend or foul. Rangel, Chair and Ball were welcome additions and Chair's goal was well-taken. A deserved lead!
Despite their defensive attitude, Hull too adopted a high-press in an effort to prevent QPR from dominating from their backs. To compensate for this extension of team throughout the pitch they tried to cram as many into the midfield area as possible; so we had two teams trying to dominate that area, with QPR managing this in the first 30 minutes. What was interesting was to see Wells willing to come back to the half-way line and assist where an extra option was needed.
BOS was causing mayhem on the right, often beating Kingsley to go on and cross.
All going so well until we hit 32 minutes when (as in other games) Manning allows enough space for the Hull player to make the cross and Lumley mucks up a routine catch of the ball, allowing Honeymoan to score! Kelly must have thought it was only a matter of time before Lumley made a mistake and he was back in the starting eleven, but surely even he must have been surprised at how soon - Kelly had hardly warmed the bench!!
That Christmas pressie from Lumley had the expected reaction - Hull now had confidence and wanted to travel into our half in numbers... As a result there was another good move from the left, with Manning beaten despite a better effort to prevent the cross. When there was an injury break (Kingsley) and the players crowded around Warburton you could plainly see that Rangel was giving Manning a hard talking to...
It was 1-1 at half Time and both sides came out with their game plans - QPR to up the tempo and Hull to go for a break-away goal. Both sides continued to make this an attractive game for the neutral observer and one with palpitations for the rest of us! Lots of good chances for the Rs but the goal keeps hiding...
Two thirds of the way through the match and nobody is playing that badly. Lumley, for all of his nervy nature, has made some good saves and the defence has been pretty calm - with both Manning & Rangel even finding time to join the attack. The midfield has risen to the challenge, resulting in good strikes from Ball, Amos, Chair, Eze and BOS. It is interesting to observe that Leistner & Ball have been issuing instructions as they play; whereas Hall (the real captain) is silent...
65 mins see our first substitution - Smith for Amos; and Hull bring on Eaves, an old-fashioned striker (which indicates they fancy getting more out of this game); on 76 mins the (finally yellow-carded) Honeymoan is replaced by another midfielder, Batty; and on 78 mins Chair is replaced by Hugill, so QPR are also 'going for it'.
Then in the 89th minute an innocuous free kick is not defended properly because Irvine is allowed to run to the far post and chip in the kick. Somebody was not doing their job in tracking irvine, and it was not the CBs at fault!
So, despite all the good chances upon their goal, a reasonable defence, and a good overall team performance we lost against a side that lacked ambition for most of the game. It is easy to dismiss this as just one of those days, except we have had the equivalent of a week of those days! I believe Warburton was right to bring on Hugill for Chair, especially as the game was becoming more of an aerial battle; but taking off Amos for Smith offered nothing extra and, in my opinion, altered the way the team played. I would also question why Rangel was not replaced by Kane towards the end, as he must have been tiring.
Is this the last time we will see Lumley start a game? I do now think that is the case, even though he is a better 'stopper' than Kelly, because he is a liability. Sad because I like the lad.

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QPR v Hull 29/12/2019 1 - 2 Dec 31, 2019 22:34:03 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Dec 31, 2019 22:34:03 GMT

Dec 31, 2019 19:52:31 GMT kingfisher said:

Well I watched the full 90 mins and here is my last set of comments in 2019:

The first 25 minutes were all QPR and showed Hull as coming to defend or foul. Rangel, Chair and Ball were welcome additions and Chair's goal was well-taken. A deserved lead!
Despite their defensive attitude, Hull too adopted a high-press in an effort to prevent QPR from dominating from their backs. To compensate for this extension of team throughout the pitch they tried to cram as many into the midfield area as possible; so we had two teams trying to dominate that area, with QPR managing this in the first 30 minutes. What was interesting was to see Wells willing to come back to the half-way line and assist where an extra option was needed.
BOS was causing mayhem on the right, often beating Kingsley to go on and cross.
All going so well until we hit 32 minutes when (as in other games) Manning allows enough space for the Hull player to make the cross and Lumley mucks up a routine catch of the ball, allowing Honeymoan to score! Kelly must have thought it was only a matter of time before Lumley made a mistake and he was back in the starting eleven, but surely even he must have been surprised at how soon - Kelly had hardly warmed the bench!!
That Christmas pressie from Lumley had the expected reaction - Hull now had confidence and wanted to travel into our half in numbers... As a result there was another good move from the left, with Manning beaten despite a better effort to prevent the cross. When there was an injury break (Kingsley) and the players crowded around Warburton you could plainly see that Rangel was giving Manning a hard talking to...
It was 1-1 at half Time and both sides came out with their game plans - QPR to up the tempo and Hull to go for a break-away goal. Both sides continued to make this an attractive game for the neutral observer and one with palpitations for the rest of us! Lots of good chances for the Rs but the goal keeps hiding...
Two thirds of the way through the match and nobody is playing that badly. Lumley, for all of his nervy nature, has made some good saves and the defence has been pretty calm - with both Manning & Rangel even finding time to join the attack. The midfield has risen to the challenge, resulting in good strikes from Ball, Amos, Chair, Eze and BOS. It is interesting to observe that Leistner & Ball have been issuing instructions as they play; whereas Hall (the real captain) is silent...
65 mins see our first substitution - Smith for Amos; and Hull bring on Eaves, an old-fashioned striker (which indicates they fancy getting more out of this game); on 76 mins the (finally yellow-carded) Honeymoan is replaced by another midfielder, Batty; and on 78 mins Chair is replaced by Hugill, so QPR are also 'going for it'.
Then in the 89th minute an innocuous free kick is not defended properly because Irvine is allowed to run to the far post and chip in the kick. Somebody was not doing their job in tracking irvine, and it was not the CBs at fault!
So, despite all the good chances upon their goal, a reasonable defence, and a good overall team performance we lost against a side that lacked ambition for most of the game. It is easy to dismiss this as just one of those days, except we have had the equivalent of a week of those days! I believe Warburton was right to bring on Hugill for Chair, especially as the game was becoming more of an aerial battle; but taking off Amos for Smith offered nothing extra and, in my opinion, altered the way the team played. I would also question why Rangel was not replaced by Kane towards the end, as he must have been tiring.
Is this the last time we will see Lumley start a game? I do now think that is the case, even though he is a better 'stopper' than Kelly, because he is a liability. Sad because I like the lad.

A brilliant summary of the game kingfisher.

I also like to watch the game back a day or so later because you see so much more when you're not caught up in the heat of battle. In fact I have found that as I've got older I find myself getting more nervous than ever watching QPR live and it's only when I watch the game back that I can get a better picture.

The one thing that didn't surprise me much was the team Warburton picked because apart from Wells for Hugill it was as I predicted prior to the game. I'm not exactly sure of the stats but when Wells plays as the lone striker it rarely works and it always seems a strange tactic to play at home. Whilst we can dominate the play and create chances we fail because we lack that clinical finisher.

On the day I found the Smith for Amos substitution a bit of a strange decision because at 1 - 1 with 25 minutes to go I was expecting to see Hugill being brought on to assist Wells and add a bit of physicality to our forward line. Smith doesn't offer much defensively or in attack so I really didn't understand Warburton reasoning.

I would also like to suggest to Amit that when he does get rid of Warburton that he employees you as the next manager because I totally agree with your comment that Rangel should have been substituted. Rangel had played very well but was getting visibly more tired as the game went on. If we could both see that why couldn't Warburton and his coaches I wonder.

I do have some sympathy with Warburton however, because if our first XI aren't performing we don't really have a lot of quality on the bench to change much.

Let's put this game down as one to forget and hopefully move on and pick up 3 points against Cardiff.

Lets hope its a Happy New Year for all QPR fans,

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QPR v Hull 29/12/2019 1 - 2 Jan 1, 2020 14:19:05 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Jan 1, 2020 14:19:05 GMT

Dec 31, 2019 22:34:03 GMT stoatey said:

Dec 31, 2019 19:52:31 GMT kingfisher said:

Well I watched the full 90 mins and here is my last set of comments in 2019......

A brilliant summary of the game kingfisher. ......

I would also like to suggest to Amit that when he does get rid of Warburton that he employees you as the next manager because I totally agree with your comment that Rangel should have been substituted. Rangel had played very well but was getting visibly more tired as the game went on. If we could both see that why couldn't Warburton and his coaches I wonder.

I do have some sympathy with Warburton however, because if our first XI aren't performing we don't really have a lot of quality on the bench to change much.

Let's put this game down as one to forget and hopefully move on and pick up 3 points against Cardiff.

Lets hope its a Happy New Year for all QPR fans,

Happy New Year from the 'manager in waiting' to everyone, but especially stoatey for his optimism!

(Rest assured you will be coming along as my #2!!)

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