QPR v Birmingham 2 - 2 FT 29FEB20 now 14th (47pts/-6GD)

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QPR v Birmingham 2 - 2 FT 29FEB20 now 14th (47pts/-6GD) Feb 29, 2020 17:07:44 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Feb 29, 2020 17:07:44 GMT

Feb 29, 2020 16:56:52 GMT kingfisher said:

Feb 29, 2020 16:55:47 GMT stoatey said:

We are looking a bit shakey. Hogan could have had a third but good tackle from Masterson.

Given he came on at the last minute, Masterson seems to have done reasonably well

Masterson is young and still learning but he did ok. The major issue is having somebody to take control at the set pieces and make sure that everyone knows their job. We don't have that dominant defender who stands big and gets his head to the ball. We seem to ball watch rather than watching the player and tracking his running.

Warburton might play a good attacking game but he seems unable to impart any defensive coaching.

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QPR v Birmingham 2 - 2 FT 29FEB20 now 14th (47pts/-6GD) Feb 29, 2020 17:15:23 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Feb 29, 2020 17:15:23 GMT

Feb 29, 2020 17:05:11 GMT kingfisher said:

Feb 29, 2020 16:58:13 GMT stoatey said:

2 - 2 ,All over

So was this a lucky draw, a victory dragged from under our feet or what? On paper this seems to be a fair result given both teams' relative positions in the league. However, this was a home game and would have hoped that would make a difference. I was surprised that Cameron was still on at the end as he must be struggling with the onslaught of games at present. Pugh was subbed - why not Cameron?
Looking at the stats, we dominated possession with 66% and corners (6 to their 2), but they managed 13 fouls to our 6 (and from what I managed to see of the first 30 mins the ref was very laid back about some dodgy tackles).

btw next game is away at PNE, who lost 2-0 at Fulham; and Wigan beat WBA 1-0 !!!

I thought we were the better team and should have won but when you defend as naively as we do both in open play and from set pieces then the opposition will always be dangerous.

Whilst we had lots of possession and play lots of those tippy tappy passes we do need a clinical finisher or at least someone who can get a few shots on target. BOS and Eze create chances for fun but there is nobody to finish and we miss Wells.

According to my son it was my fault anyway because when I was watching Birmingham scored 2 but when I went to make a cup of tea we scored. Maybe I will spend every match in the kitchen making tea!

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I’d take any point from any game
Maybe 2 points droppped but not a lot to split the teams
Both can’t defend but can be dangerous up front
5 game unbeaten run 2 wins and 3 draws isn’t a bad return

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QPR v Birmingham 2 - 2 FT 29FEB20 now 14th (47pts/-6GD) Feb 29, 2020 17:45:06 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Feb 29, 2020 17:45:06 GMT

What's most annoying about today's game is that the 2 Birmingham goals are mirror images of previous goals we have conceded. The first is a straight forward lob down our left over our midfield and central defenders for Hogan to run onto and the second was a corner from our left that gets nodded on and Hogan finishes.

Birminham could have had a late penalty when Barbet got away with one.

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QPR v Birmingham 2 - 2 FT 29FEB20 now 14th (47pts/-6GD) Feb 29, 2020 17:51:40 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Feb 29, 2020 17:51:40 GMT

A missed opportunity today with Preston losing. We play them next Saturday and with a win could have been 7 points off them in 6th.

A draw may have been a fair result but when we are at home and ahead I feel a bit disappointed not to win.

Wigan will definitely stay up, it is Hull who sold their best 2 players and are now really suffering.

Reading will be safe now too after a big win over Barnsley.

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QPR v Birmingham 2 - 2 FT 29FEB20 now 14th (47pts/-6GD) Feb 29, 2020 18:02:04 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Feb 29, 2020 18:02:04 GMT

Feb 29, 2020 17:45:06 GMT stoatey said:

What's most annoying about today's game is that the 2 Birmingham goals are mirror images of previous goals we have conceded. The first is a straight forward lob down our left over our midfield and central defenders for Hogan to run onto and the second was a corner from our left that gets nodded on and Hogan finishes.

Birminham could have had a late penalty when Barbet got away with one.

All teams have analysts these days watching their next opponents and relaying data to the managers, so Birmingham just had to follow the other teams we have played in beating our poor defending of set pieces. I love that we are quick to react to regaining possession in midfield, but we also need to be far better at defending in dead-ball situations. Same mistakes being repeated shouts poor tactics or poor coaching - or both!

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Post by kingfisher on Feb 29, 2020 18:04:59 GMT

Feb 29, 2020 17:51:40 GMT northwesthoop said:

....Wigan will definitely stay up, it is Hull who sold their best 2 players and are now really suffering.....

Bear in mind that we will probably lose at least two star players in the summer (from Eze/Manning/BOS) so we could be the 'new Hull' for the 2020/21 season...

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Post by northwesthoop on Feb 29, 2020 18:17:57 GMT

Feb 29, 2020 18:04:59 GMT kingfisher said:

Bear in mind that we will probably lose at least two star players in the summer (from Eze/Manning/BOS) so we could be the 'new Hull' for the 2020/21 season...

We have to trust the club are planning in advance and have multiple contingency plans!

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QPR v Birmingham 2 - 2 FT 29FEB20 now 14th (47pts/-6GD) Feb 29, 2020 20:41:56 GMT

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Post by surrey chad on Feb 29, 2020 20:41:56 GMT

Feb 29, 2020 17:05:11 GMT kingfisher said:

Feb 29, 2020 16:58:13 GMT stoatey said:

2 - 2 ,All over

So was this a lucky draw, a victory dragged from under our feet or what? On paper this seems to be a fair result given both teams' relative positions in the league. However, this was a home game and would have hoped that would make a difference. I was surprised that Cameron was still on at the end as he must be struggling with the onslaught of games at present. Pugh was subbed - why not Cameron?
Looking at the stats, we dominated possession with 66% and corners (6 to their 2), but they managed 13 fouls to our 6 (and from what I managed to see of the first 30 mins the ref was very laid back about some dodgy tackles).

btw next game is away at PNE, who lost 2-0 at Fulham; and Wigan beat WBA 1-0 !!!

In my option, it was 2 points dropped. I wasn't at the end for our disallowed goal but I couldn't see anything wrong with it, theres however was right in front of me an I though he was a good foot offside.

They are a team of thugs who did not play any form of football but spent more time trying to kick and push us all over the park, we were the better team but it was our own errors that cost us not them playing better football to score.

The ref and linesman were really poor and there should have been a couple of yellow cards at least and that goes for one or two of the QPR players as well. BOS is simply quality and for me is the best player we have, but its Eze that gets the plaudits. We should have won, but the ref decided he wanted a draw.

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Post by northwesthoop on Mar 1, 2020 8:39:51 GMT

Post Birmingham Stats:

The draw against Birmingham drops us 1 place to 14th but still firmly rooted in mid table

We are 9 points from the top 6 and 10 points above the bottom 3 with 10 games left to play

It is the first time this season we have gone 5 league matches unbeaten (2 wins, 3 draws)

We are just 4 points away from equalling our total of 51 points from last season

We are 4 places higher than we were after 36 games last season

We need 14 points from 10 games to have our best season since relegation (we got 60 points in 2015/16 and finished 12th)

Our 55 goals scored is the 3rd highest in the league, behind only leaders West Brom and 5th placed Brentford

However our 61 goals conceded is the 2nd highest in the league with only bottom club Luton having conceded more

Yoann Barbet has now lost in just 1 of his last 13 appearances and that was against 1st placed West Brom back in September

Grant Hall has appeared in 22 consecutive matches since October prior to missing the Birmingham clash

Full stats can be viewed here: i.imgur.com/unOF6mr.jpg

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Mar 1, 2020 12:48:28 GMT @singlespeed said:

Do you think once eze gone a player like Scott hogan would be a good replacement
Very Charlie Austin like I thought yesterday against us

Hogan did well at Brentford and he has done well since joining Birmingham but in between those spells he scored just 15 goals in 84 matches.

When Eze does leave this summer I think our priority should be an imposing midfielder that dictates the play and leads by example. This should be the player that we see as our captain.

The second most important player is a dominant central defender who is good in the air and cannot be bullied. This would help offset the frailties of Barbet who is poor aerially. Yesterday Birmingham knew we were weak in the air and every chance they got they were lumping the ball high. We really looked susceptible from their long throw ins and corners.

Thirdly we need a proven goalscorer to finish off all the chances we create.

It's just a case of finding those types of player at an affordable price. I'm sure that should be easy enough for Sir Les and his team.

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QPR v Birmingham 2 - 2 FT 29FEB20 now 14th (47pts/-6GD) Mar 2, 2020 17:36:26 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Mar 2, 2020 17:36:26 GMT

The full 90 mins video leads to a few comments from me to add to those above by us all:

Birmingham came into this game on a long unbeaten spell, and it was obvious from the beginning why. They vary their play, utilise an excellent long-throw expert in Roberts (who was superb in all departments), move forward as a unit (including the Back 4), and have a lot of tall players.
Ping-pong heading in midfield, partly caused by the press applied by Birmingham, was always going to play into their favour. However, Ball, Rangel and Cameron managed to make some really good probing passes.
After a patient work of the ball around the team, on 18 mins we had Hugill convert a Rangel squared ball. It was adjudged offside. No camera shots available to prove otherwise, so there was a sadly fine move that deserved a goal at the end of it!
Birmingham are a physical side, always have been, but I was surprised at how much blatant pushing (on and off the ball) and niggley taps were being allowed. Shame because otherwise the ref was good.
Their goal on 24th minute was goal made on a break. Masterson was in error as he left himself exposed, but that should not take credit away from Hogan. When Hall goes we must expect Masterson to take over and he is learning (sometimes the hard way)!
Interesting to see someone who is a defensive midfielder constantly pushing his team-mates to move the ball forward, but that is what Cameron was gesticulating for all the game. Just shows his attack-mindedness.
Yet another game with weird weather. Here we had cold, then rain, then sleet, and then sunshine. I would not have been surprised to see locusts next....
An even first half that did not deserve either side losing - or winning!
Pugh's goal to make it 1-1 was the result of BOS' perseverance, Birmingham's aggression, a great free-kick from Eze, and another example of Hugill heading back across the goalmouth.
Hugill's goal to make it 2-1 was again the result of great team play, with Eze and BOS combining on the right to allow BOS an unimpeded cross to the predatory Hugill - loved it!
Their equaliser had much in common with Hugill's - long cross headed back for Hogan to nod in. That said, it should have been easier to prevent and certainly should have had someone much, much closer to that arrogant s*d Hogan...
So it ended 2-2-. Was a draw a fair result? If you look at our goals they were better crafted. If you look at their goals they were poorly defended. This was definitely a case of Birmingham heading home happier.
MotM - great to have more than one obvious candidate: Barbet solid at the back; Ball unyielding in midfield engine-room as he urges his side on; BOS as he gathers up his mojo and proves that some do like doing lines and suffering the blatant fouls of Pedersen; but, for me, it was Eze, using all of his creativity and never giving up when the ball goes to the opposition.

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Post by stoatey on Mar 2, 2020 21:59:24 GMT

Mar 2, 2020 17:36:26 GMT kingfisher said:

The full 90 mins video leads to a few comments from me to add to those above by us all:

Birmingham came into this game on a long unbeaten spell, and it was obvious from the beginning why. They vary their play, utilise an excellent long-throw expert in Roberts (who was superb in all departments), move forward as a unit (including the Back 4), and have a lot of tall players.
Ping-pong heading in midfield, partly caused by the press applied by Birmingham, was always going to play into their favour. However, Ball, Rangel and Cameron managed to make some really good probing passes.
After a patient work of the ball around the team, on 18 mins we had Hugill convert a Rangel squared ball. It was adjudged offside. No camera shots available to prove otherwise, so there was a sadly fine move that deserved a goal at the end of it!
Birmingham are a physical side, always have been, but I was surprised at how much blatant pushing (on and off the ball) and niggley taps were being allowed. Shame because otherwise the ref was good.
Their goal on 24th minute was goal made on a break. Masterson was in error as he left himself exposed, but that should not take credit away from Hogan. When Hall goes we must expect Masterson to take over and he is learning (sometimes the hard way)!
Interesting to see someone who is a defensive midfielder constantly pushing his team-mates to move the ball forward, but that is what Cameron was gesticulating for all the game. Just shows his attack-mindedness.
Yet another game with weird weather. Here we had cold, then rain, then sleet, and then sunshine. I would not have been surprised to see locusts next....
An even first half that did not deserve either side losing - or winning!
Pugh's goal to make it 1-1 was the result of BOS' perseverance, Birmingham's aggression, a great free-kick from Eze, and another example of Hugill heading back across the goalmouth.
Hugill's goal to make it 2-1 was again the result of great team play, with Eze and BOS combining on the right to allow BOS an unimpeded cross to the predatory Hugill - loved it!
Their equaliser had much in common with Hugill's - long cross headed back for Hogan to nod in. That said, it should have been easier to prevent and certainly should have had someone much, much closer to that arrogant s*d Hogan...
So it ended 2-2-. Was a draw a fair result? If you look at our goals they were better crafted. If you look at their goals they were poorly defended. This was definitely a case of Birmingham heading home happier.
MotM - great to have more than one obvious candidate: Barbet solid at the back; Ball unyielding in midfield engine-room as he urges his side on; BOS as he gathers up his mojo and proves that some do like doing lines and suffering the blatant fouls of Pedersen; but, for me, it was Eze, using all of his creativity and never giving up when the ball goes to the opposition.

Watching the game on Saturday I can't really remember Kelly having to make a save. Both the Birmingham goals were from poor marking and apart from those 2 errors and the possible Barbet penalty tackle I thought we were the better team.

What really doesnt help this team is how poorly organised they are when defending and to have conceded 17 goals from set pieces is down to poor management/coaching.

Masterson made mistakes but hopefully he will have learned from playing against a seasoned striker like Hogan.

For me it was a game we should have won but could quite easily have lost due to mistakes and a rash tackle.

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