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Wigan v QPR 8JUL20 1 - 0 FT (still 53pts/now 14th) Jul 8, 2020 20:48:49 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Jul 8, 2020 20:48:49 GMT

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Our 4th defeat in 5 games since lockdown sees us slip down 1 place to 14th.

After a promising start to the season in which we won 7 of the opening 12 games, we have only won 8 of the next 30. We have lost 15 of those 30 games.

We have slipped 5 points away from 12th place, so a top half finish now looks very unlikely.

We played the home match against Wigan in August 2019 and didn't play this return fixture until July 2020. What a strange season with 11 months between matches!

Jack Clarke appeared after missing the last 6 matches.

Also spare a thought for poor Olomide Shodipo - he came off the bench in the opening day win against Stoke. Since then he has appeared in 7 matches and we've lost every single one.

Jordan Hugill missed only his 3rd match of the season.

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Wigan v QPR 8JUL20 1 - 0 FT (still 53pts/now 14th) Jul 8, 2020 21:43:43 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Jul 8, 2020 21:43:43 GMT

A big issue for Warburton is what does he do about our comedy duo of Kane and Ball. Neither Rangel or Amos will be here next season and therefore we are going to be relying on two very poor players whose ability to defend is non existent.

I can't recall Kane ever having a good defensive game and we were warned by the Aberdeen fans that Ball was poor so we shouldn't be surprised that he lacks any knowledge of defending.

No doubt that as a Warburton signing it will be rock on Toddy!

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Wigan v QPR 8JUL20 1 - 0 FT (still 53pts/now 14th) Jul 9, 2020 13:41:56 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Jul 9, 2020 13:41:56 GMT

Jul 8, 2020 19:50:12 GMT kingfisher said:

Jul 8, 2020 19:02:02 GMT stoatey said:

We improved in the 2nd half but in the first half there was little intent shown by the players and ultimately we got what we deserved.

Through out the season we seem to be lethargic for the first 45 minutes and only wake up in the 2nd half.

Good to see Shodipo step up once again and take his chance. Oteh didn't have a good 45 minutes and was hooked but no doubt he will get another go in the next few matches but he has got to get involved and show what he can do.

It is a worrying trend and Oteh's stage of development just shows how good Hugill actually is in comparison. However, I would add that we had on (at various stages) all of the attacking midfield and, Shodipo apart, they were poor tonight.

I know this might seem a strange thing to say but did you think that the players looked tired last night or was it just me.

At times we seemed very lethargic and it's possible that playing so many games in such a short space of time has impacted on several of the squad. The issue I suppose is that because we are so short of personnel it going to be very difficult for Warburton to change things.

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Wigan v QPR 8JUL20 1 - 0 FT (still 53pts/now 14th) Jul 9, 2020 13:46:09 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Jul 9, 2020 13:46:09 GMT

I agree from what I've seen and heard we were very lethargic.

2 long distance matches in 4 days could have taken it's toll, on top of 5 matches in 2 weeks after 3 months without matches in their legs.

Add that to the generally consensus we don't have much to play for now and a few of the players feeling their futures will lie elsewhere and it culminates in a tired performance!

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Wigan v QPR 8JUL20 1 - 0 FT (still 53pts/now 14th) Jul 9, 2020 17:07:48 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Jul 9, 2020 17:07:48 GMT

Jul 9, 2020 13:46:09 GMT northwesthoop said:

I agree from what I've seen and heard we were very lethargic.

2 long distance matches in 4 days could have taken it's toll, on top of 5 matches in 2 weeks after 3 months without matches in their legs.

Add that to the generally consensus we don't have much to play for now and a few of the players feeling their futures will lie elsewhere and it culminates in a tired performance!

I'm hoping that by Saturday they will have got the Wigan game out of their system and they will bounce back refreshed.

I was surprised to read that Hugill might be fit enough to play against Wednesday although West Ham may put a blocker on that if there is any doubt. The Hammers will be looking to offload him in a few weeks and that will only happen if he is fully fit.

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Wigan v QPR 8JUL20 1 - 0 FT (still 53pts/now 14th) Jul 9, 2020 17:55:08 GMT

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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 17:55:08 GMT

I’ve heard lots of negative on Dominic ball but I thought he played well against Stoke when I watched him play
and some have give him good reviews in some games but yes not all games
But stoatey obviously isn’t his biggest fan and totally respect his opinion as I like to hear another angle of a player in action

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Wigan v QPR 8JUL20 1 - 0 FT (still 53pts/now 14th) Jul 9, 2020 20:41:50 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Jul 9, 2020 20:41:50 GMT

Jul 9, 2020 17:55:08 GMT @singlespeed said:

I’ve heard lots of negative on Dominic ball but I thought he played well against Stoke when I watched him play
and some have give him good reviews in some games but yes not all games
But stoatey obviously isn’t his biggest fan and totally respect his opinion as I like to hear another angle of a player in action

I just find Ball very inconsistent. He can have one decent game followed by a string of games where he is poor.

From what I have seen of him he lacks the ability to head the ball and rarely wins an aerial dual. Whilst he likes a tackle it seems to me that everyone of his tackles ends in him giving away a free kick.

So in summary he is an inconsistent defensive midfielder, who can't head the ball and constantly gives away free kicks but the manager likes him!

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Wigan v QPR 8JUL20 1 - 0 FT (still 53pts/now 14th) Jul 10, 2020 16:33:36 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Jul 10, 2020 16:33:36 GMT

Jul 9, 2020 20:41:50 GMT stoatey said:

Jul 9, 2020 17:55:08 GMT @singlespeed said:

I’ve heard lots of negative on Dominic ball but I thought he played well against Stoke when I watched him play and some have give him good reviews in some games but yes not all games But stoatey obviously isn’t his biggest fan and totally respect his opinion as I like to hear another angle of a player in action

I just find Ball very inconsistent. He can have one decent game followed by a string of games where he is poor. From what I have seen of him he lacks the ability to head the ball and rarely wins an aerial dual. Whilst he likes a tackle it seems to me that everyone of his tackles ends in him giving away a free kick. So in summary he is an inconsistent defensive midfielder, who can't head the ball and constantly gives away free kicks but the manager likes him!

To be fair, any DM is going to attract free kicks and yellow cards. Cameron and Amos have had their few too. I do agree though that Ball can be inconsistent and when he is I groan at his poor passes, but remember the DM role is not a glamorous one!

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Wigan v QPR 8JUL20 1 - 0 FT (still 53pts/now 14th) Jul 10, 2020 17:11:37 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Jul 10, 2020 17:11:37 GMT

Jul 10, 2020 16:33:36 GMT kingfisher said:

Jul 9, 2020 20:41:50 GMT stoatey said:

I just find Ball very inconsistent. He can have one decent game followed by a string of games where he is poor. From what I have seen of him he lacks the ability to head the ball and rarely wins an aerial dual. Whilst he likes a tackle it seems to me that everyone of his tackles ends in him giving away a free kick. So in summary he is an inconsistent defensive midfielder, who can't head the ball and constantly gives away free kicks but the manager likes him!

To be fair, any DM is going to attract free kicks and yellow cards. Cameron and Amos have had their few too. I do agree though that Ball can be inconsistent and when he is I groan at his poor passes, but remember the DM role is not a glamorous one!

I admit that I haven't liked Ball from day one and maybe I was biased against him so I have tried to track down some stats to see whether Im being unfair. I managed to get some figures from the Who Scored site that I have put on a post I have called Defending. Whilst none of our defenders are any good it does highlight how much of a weak link Ball has been. In all honesty Cameron isn't much better.

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Wigan v QPR 8JUL20 1 - 0 FT (still 53pts/now 14th) Jul 10, 2020 17:20:07 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Jul 10, 2020 17:20:07 GMT

I've not seen every game but in the games I have seen Ball strikes me as somebody who at times looks like he's never played football in his life.

He can be that bad, completely anonymous at times. He should be an imposing, physical figure but he's just like a taller Scowen; often just running about, off the pace, arriving too late to make a tackle etc. He's just an OK squad player at best.

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