Post by northwesthoop on Dec 28, 2020 13:27:37 GMT
I'd stick. We made our bed, we need to sleep in it.
There are just a lack of viable alternative and I don't want us to change tack where we need to alter the style of play and thus change 10 players in the next 2 transfer windows again.
I think warburton has lost the dressing room our players look totally and utterly confused i know it’s back to square one but Watford change managers all the time and so do we warburton record with us is nothing other than shocking and unacceptable how I see it if we can avoid relegation then that’s a result for me warburton lost his job when we failed to beat Wycombe and luton
Warburton has to go but let's wait until the end of the season. I would also question whether we need Les as DoF, I'm not even sure what he really does.
The issue with bringing in managers and then letting them sign their mates will remain until the club adopts a strategy and has a plan that is understood by everyone. Our owners are never going to be leaders so let's just follow in Brentfords footsteps and use the same methodology that has worked for them. They sign and produce a conveyor of good players and the strikers they have signed is staggering (Hogan, Maupay, Watkins, Toney).
Unfortunately our prospects will continue to look bleak until things at the very top change.
Broken record perhaps....but sacking Warburton is not going to turn the ship around enough. We have some good players - notably Amos, Carroll, Chair, Dieng, Kakay, Dickie, Masterson, Bettache and BOS but that list includes no strikers worthy of inclusion; a player not available because of injury; a player who wants to leave; and the rest are players that are still learning the Championship. These are the scenarios you must expect when money is tight, however that is what is needed - money spent on a loan striker. Only goals will get us (and MW) out of this rut!
Final thought: We have a small squad, small in number and small in experience, and any new manager coming in to replace Warburton will struggle to create their choice of formation and tactics from the pool available (and no large budget). There would be no 'tearing down of trees' possible to make a success.
Stick, I think there are 3 worse teams in the league than us.
If we did go down what would happen? Genuine question.
I have said this before but some of my favourite times at Loftus road where when we were in the third Dvision, at least we may be top half of the table and pushing for promotion, this may increase crowd size and fans enthusiasm for QPR, I'm not saying I want it to happen and I know there is no guarantee of coming straight back up but I don't think it would be the worse thing to happen or am I naive?
Having recovered from the Swansea match, I'm also in the stick camp. The damage at this club was done several years ago with the way we handled promotion to and relegation from the PL. We are now walking a tightrope. Start with a mediocre Championship team and try to save money each year. This means constantly selling any decent players and replacing them with unproven punts that we won't be outbid on. By definition many of those won't work out and by definition we will start each season weaker than we finished the last. In time we hope to get to where Brentford are now. There is no other plan for us that I'm aware of. I hate it but that's where we are.
At this point we don't have the luxury of changing direction. So the question is whether we can find a better option than Warburton to continue along the current path. I'm not aware of one right now who would take on this challenge.
I have said this before but some of my favourite times at Loftus road where when we were in the third Dvision, at least we may be top half of the table and pushing for promotion, this may increase crowd size and fans enthusiasm for QPR, I'm not saying I want it to happen and I know there is no guarantee of coming straight back up but I don't think it would be the worse thing to happen or am I naive?
I've said this before too and on twitter the other day.
2001-2004 was probably my favourite time supporting QPR. There was a togetherness amongst the fans, a common goal, we loved all the players like Bircham and Gallen and Ainsworth. More legends came out of that period than any since despite being in higher leagues.
As we say, there are no guarantees, but Saturday night feels good when you've won. It doesn't matter what the league is. We've won 11 times this year. 11. That is abysmal and if we need to go down to come back stronger, so be it.
Broken record perhaps....but sacking Warburton is not going to turn the ship around enough. We have some good players - notably Amos, Carroll, Chair, Dieng, Kakay, Dickie, Masterson, Bettache and BOS but that list includes no strikers worthy of inclusion; a player not available because of injury; a player who wants to leave; and the rest are players that are still learning the Championship. These are the scenarios you must expect when money is tight, however that is what is needed - money spent on a loan striker. Only goals will get us (and MW) out of this rut!
Final thought: We have a small squad, small in number and small in experience, and any new manager coming in to replace Warburton will struggle to create their choice of formation and tactics from the pool available (and no large budget). There would be no 'tearing down of trees' possible to make a success.
I agree with your comment reference the squad size which is important but for me its more about the quality of players. We have a registered squad of 24 players (probably be down to 22 if BOS and Lumley depart next month) but Brentford and Cardiff only have a squad of 23 players. Like us Brentford and Cardiff have some young inexperienced players but they both have around 15 players that are good Championship quality. The trouble for us is that we probably only have 5 Championship quality players.
As a comparison the squads of the current top 3 (Norwich 28, Bournemouth 26 and Watford 27) are smaller than either Luton (34) or Stoke (32).
Of our current first team squad 15 of them were signed by Warburton. Too many of Warburtons signings are sub standard and are liabilities. Players like Kelly, Wallace, Kane, Ball and Dykes might be mates of Warburton and look good in Scotland but they are not good enough for the Championship. Players like Kelman, Masterson and Bonne are far from the finished article and need playing time probably away on loan.
Other players in the first team squad like Bettache, Owens and Alfa are still still miles away from getting regular playing time and are there to make up the numbers.
As you point out, any new manager coming in will struggle because of our poor quality and lack of experience which has been the same issue for everyone of our new managers for several years. New managers arrive, sell off the previous managers signings and bring in more sub standard players that are just as poor as the ones we have released.
IMO we need to get rid of Sir Les and bring in a D of F that understands football management and who can lead the club and work on a strategy of how to move forward.
Don’t want to go down with warburton id rather a manager like Kenny jackett in league one if we end up there yes sacking him maybe not right and pointless but he’s had enough chances to sort out our weak areas and change our playing style for specific games lets see your opinions after our 4-0 loss tonight in a way it’s probably too late to fire him now anyway
I agree stoatey that our problems relate more to the quality of the squad, rather than the number of players in that squad. A couple of thoughts to add (after a bit of reflection):
There are no fans baying from the terraces demanding Warburton be put to the sword, because there are no fans on the terraces! That in itself should cushion the Board from making a rash decision (you would have hoped).
I still feel that if Warburton does actually get sacked they will fallback on John Eustace and/or Chris Ramsay as an interim solution. They will not fare any better than Warburton, but they may well fare just as well...
