QPR v Plymouth 13Dec23 0 - 0 FT 22nd/20pts

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QPR v Plymouth 13Dec23 0 - 0 FT 22nd/20pts Dec 17, 2023 14:07:33 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Dec 17, 2023 14:07:33 GMT

Dec 17, 2023 12:35:21 GMT northwesthoop said:

How do Stoke - who finished around 16th for 5 years in a row now - keep attracting managers from teams above them?

If Schumacher goes there he's not learnt anything from Alex Neill swapping an upward Sunderland for a downhill Stoke.2

It will be interesting to see how true the rumour is and whether he does go or whether it's all nothing. It seems that the Coates family helicopter landed just outside Plymouth yesterday and then left sometime after the game.

It certainly wasn't a scouting mission by Stoke because Argyle played and beat them at Home Park on December 2nd.

Schumacher had plenty of success alongside Ryan Lowe before Lowe moved to Preston so whether its solely about wages and a huge transfer budget who knows. I'd doubt it though as the owner of Plymouth is a local guy who made good as an investment manager in the States.He has invested millions in the club and is currently building a new huge training complex.

Plymouth may not have as big a budget as Stoke but its very well run and the owner is not afraid to spend as he showed when paying a million pounds for Morgan Whittaker and then another million for Fin Azzaz who are both young and had been on loan last season from Swansea and Villa respectively.

The only drawbacks that Schumacher probably has at Plymouth is attracting players to the West country and the travel to away matches but the support is tremendous with all the home matches sold out and they regularly take 2,000 fans to away games.

Personally I dont think that Schumacher would leave Plymouth for Stoke but as we know it's probably all about the money!

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QPR v Plymouth 13Dec23 0 - 0 FT 22nd/20pts Dec 17, 2023 14:10:35 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Dec 17, 2023 14:10:35 GMT

Dec 17, 2023 13:53:30 GMT singlespeed said:

They obviously pay better wages

It's probably only that and a huge transfer budget that would attract him. It would be a shame if he did leave because the Argyle fans think hes great. But as we know there's no loyalty in football.

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QPR v Plymouth 13Dec23 0 - 0 FT 22nd/20pts Dec 18, 2023 18:25:52 GMT via mobile

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Post by kingfisher on Dec 18, 2023 18:25:52 GMT

Dec 17, 2023 14:10:35 GMT stoatey said:

Dec 17, 2023 13:53:30 GMT singlespeed said:

They obviously pay better wages

It's probably only that and a huge transfer budget that would attract him. It would be a shame if he did leave because the Argyle fans think hes great. But as we know there's no loyalty in football.

I would be sorry to see him leave a club that loves him for the risky promise of success at Stoke.

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QPR v Plymouth 13Dec23 0 - 0 FT 22nd/20pts Dec 20, 2023 11:59:04 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Dec 20, 2023 11:59:04 GMT

I still don't understand the attraction of Stoke but Schumacher has officially gone.

Surely that makes Plymouth a stronger candidate for relegation? He was a huge part of their revival in the last 2 years and he is a big loss for them.

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QPR v Plymouth 13Dec23 0 - 0 FT 22nd/20pts Dec 20, 2023 13:55:09 GMT via mobile

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Post by loftussi on Dec 20, 2023 13:55:09 GMT

Dec 20, 2023 11:59:04 GMT northwesthoop said:

I still don't understand the attraction of Stoke but Schumacher has officially gone.

Surely that makes Plymouth a stronger candidate for relegation? He was a huge part of their revival in the last 2 years and he is a big loss for them.

I think the Southwest is still looked upon as a bit of a footballing backwater. Clubs in the Midlands, The North, and obviously London, will always look like a better option when furthering a career.

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QPR v Plymouth 13Dec23 0 - 0 FT 22nd/20pts Dec 20, 2023 14:58:21 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Dec 20, 2023 14:58:21 GMT

Long away day travel pretty much 90% of the season probably puts some players off.

Obviously Schumacher knows more than we do about the off the field situation at Plymouth but he clearly felt there was a ceiling to how far Plymouth could go.

Stoke is perhaps nearer to family too for him as he was a trainee at Everton.

It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

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QPR v Plymouth 13Dec23 0 - 0 FT 22nd/20pts Dec 20, 2023 15:36:13 GMT via mobile

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Post by singlespeed on Dec 20, 2023 15:36:13 GMT

I lived in Plymouth for a bit in the 90s
I can see why he’d like a change of scenery it’s not the most exciting place in the world and that was back then
But they’ve always been a tidy little football club and he won’t last very long at stoke in my opinion

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QPR v Plymouth 13Dec23 0 - 0 FT 22nd/20pts Dec 20, 2023 16:56:41 GMT via mobile

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Post by kingfisher on Dec 20, 2023 16:56:41 GMT

Dec 20, 2023 14:58:21 GMT northwesthoop said:

Long away day travel pretty much 90% of the season probably puts some players off.

Obviously Schumacher knows more than we do about the off the field situation at Plymouth but he clearly felt there was a ceiling to how far Plymouth could go.

Stoke is perhaps nearer to family too for him as he was a trainee at Everton.

It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

I reckon the best club to be at is MK Dons as it is so central, with excellent motorway connections.

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QPR v Plymouth 13Dec23 0 - 0 FT 22nd/20pts Dec 20, 2023 20:19:00 GMT via mobile

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Post by singlespeed on Dec 20, 2023 20:19:00 GMT

Dec 20, 2023 16:56:41 GMT kingfisher said:

Dec 20, 2023 14:58:21 GMT northwesthoop said:

Long away day travel pretty much 90% of the season probably puts some players off.

Obviously Schumacher knows more than we do about the off the field situation at Plymouth but he clearly felt there was a ceiling to how far Plymouth could go.

Stoke is perhaps nearer to family too for him as he was a trainee at Everton.

It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

I reckon the best club to be at is MK Dons as it is so central, with excellent motorway connections.

You been to Milton Keynes lately kingfisher mate I’d rather manage a club in outer space

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QPR v Plymouth 13Dec23 0 - 0 FT 22nd/20pts Dec 20, 2023 23:06:21 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Dec 20, 2023 23:06:21 GMT

Dec 20, 2023 14:58:21 GMT northwesthoop said:

Long away day travel pretty much 90% of the season probably puts some players off.

Obviously Schumacher knows more than we do about the off the field situation at Plymouth but he clearly felt there was a ceiling to how far Plymouth could go.

Stoke is perhaps nearer to family too for him as he was a trainee at Everton.

It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

I agree that the long away days don't help Plymouth (they are yet to win an away game this season) but by the same token teams find it just as difficult when travelling to Plymouth. This season in 11 matches only 3 teams have gone away with all the points (Southampton,Swansea and Millwal). Home Park has become quite a fortress and Argyle have won 7 of their home matches.

Regarding the off field situation at Plymouth the owner has financially structured the club with a set plan and won't sign players he doesn't think are future assets. It includes things like only signing players that they believe will have a resale value or who have an asset life of at least 3 years. Players like Begovic or Cook wouldn't probably meet their criteria because they are unlikely to have any resale value and we'll be very lucky if they're still Championship quality in 3 years time. There is even method in their madness with loan signings because they look to sign these players with options to buy. Last season they picked up 2 gems in Finn Azazz and Morgan Whittaker.

The difference that Schumacher will find is that at Plymouth the fans would be happy with Championship survival whereas the Stoke fans will be expecting them to challenge for promotion.

As Beale found out when he went to Rangers if you can't meet the fans expectations then your time as their manager will be very short.

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QPR v Plymouth 13Dec23 0 - 0 FT 22nd/20pts Dec 21, 2023 10:33:37 GMT

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Post by singlespeed on Dec 21, 2023 10:33:37 GMT

Dec 20, 2023 23:06:21 GMT stoatey said:

Dec 20, 2023 14:58:21 GMT northwesthoop said:

Long away day travel pretty much 90% of the season probably puts some players off.

Obviously Schumacher knows more than we do about the off the field situation at Plymouth but he clearly felt there was a ceiling to how far Plymouth could go.

Stoke is perhaps nearer to family too for him as he was a trainee at Everton.

It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

I agree that the long away days don't help Plymouth (they are yet to win an away game this season) but by the same token teams find it just as difficult when travelling to Plymouth. This season in 11 matches only 3 teams have gone away with all the points (Southampton,Swansea and Millwal). Home Park has become quite a fortress and Argyle have won 7 of their home matches.

Regarding the off field situation at Plymouth the owner has financially structured the club with a set plan and won't sign players he doesn't think are future assets. It includes things like only signing players that they believe will have a resale value or who have an asset life of at least 3 years. Players like Begovic or Cook wouldn't probably meet their criteria because they are unlikely to have any resale value and we'll be very lucky if they're still Championship quality in 3 years time. There is even method in their madness with loan signings because they look to sign these players with options to buy. Last season they picked up 2 gems in Finn Azazz and Morgan Whittaker.

The difference that Schumacher will find is that at Plymouth the fans would be happy with Championship survival whereas the Stoke fans will be expecting them to challenge for promotion.

As Beale found out when he went to Rangers if you can't meet the fans expectations then your time as their manager will be very short.

i tell you what the new rangers manager may of got lucky after beale as celtic have started to get bit a jittery under rodgers
and already lost 2 games and first defeat at home in 50 odd games or something on saturday
if rangers win their games games in hand they go top of the league
the title could be virtually handed on a plate as celtic dont normally slip up

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