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General 'Championship' Thread 2018 - 2021 Jul 26, 2020 13:30:58 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Jul 26, 2020 13:30:58 GMT

Jul 26, 2020 11:59:01 GMT stoatey said:

You always get that team who surprises and for me Millwall were that team this year. Gary Rowett seems to have been able to combine their more robust style with a bit of creative play.

Matt Smith in particular has done well there with 14 goals and Jed Wallace was scoring (10) and creating lots of assists (13).

You are spot on there stoatey and full credit to Rowett and Smith respectively! I had Brentford down as the team to surprise everyone this season, but nobody (not even the Den's most ardent) trully believed they would do as well as they managed. They must be our target to beat next season!

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stoatey Gerry Francis Posts: 8,634	General 'Championship' Thread 2018 - 2021 Jul 30, 2020 21:42:25 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by stoatey on Jul 30, 2020 21:42:25 GMT Brentford or Fulham will be in the Premiership next season and it's difficult to know who I want to win.

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General 'Championship' Thread 2018 - 2021 Jul 30, 2020 21:45:38 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Jul 30, 2020 21:45:38 GMT

Jul 30, 2020 21:42:25 GMT stoatey said:

Brentford or Fulham will be in the Premiership next season and it's difficult to know who I want to win.

There is a lot to admire about how Brentford have gone about things so I chose them.

Remember when we were the biggest club in London. Now we are a distant 4th in West London alone!

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General 'Championship' Thread 2018 - 2021 Jul 31, 2020 7:54:27 GMT

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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 7:54:27 GMT

i think fulham experience could shine in this one
brentford have a habit of bottling big games as we know
if its a tactical battle fulham will win but brentford have a strike force any team would fear
hard one to call really

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General 'Championship' Thread 2018 - 2021 Jul 31, 2020 9:04:11 GMT

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Post by Ghost on Jul 31, 2020 9:04:11 GMT

Jul 30, 2020 21:45:38 GMT northwesthoop said:

Jul 30, 2020 21:42:25 GMT stoatey said:

Brentford or Fulham will be in the Premiership next season and it's difficult to know who I want to win.

There is a lot to admire about how Brentford have gone about things so I chose them.

Remember when we were the biggest club in London. Now we are a distant 4th in West London alone!

To be fair, we were never the biggest club in London. We just had the best first 11. And that is hard to sustain for smaller clubs with smaller budgets.

My main frustration is how we wasted the 2 promotions to the Premier League. It's not just the fact that we got relegated. It's the fact that we spent too much on rubbish players and ended up worse off financially.

These days I just hope to see us still afloat financially and clear of the relegation places. Longer term, Brentford have shown the way forwards and I wish them well in the final.

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General 'Championship' Thread 2018 - 2021 Jul 31, 2020 9:24:46 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Jul 31, 2020 9:24:46 GMT

I meant to say top placed club in London. We've never been the biggest of course that was the wrong word, but we've been the best on a few occasions. Now we don't even dominate the local area!

Have to agree on the wasted promotions Ghost - I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but why were we trying to run before we could walk? We should have expected relegation and kept the nucleus of our promotion winning team to put us in a better position to come back stronger the next time. Like Burnley did, who of course went up at the same time as us and look at them now!

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General 'Championship' Thread 2018 - 2021 Jul 31, 2020 17:00:35 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Jul 31, 2020 17:00:35 GMT

Jul 31, 2020 9:24:46 GMT northwesthoop said:

I meant to say top placed club in London. We've never been the biggest of course that was the wrong word, but we've been the best on a few occasions. Now we don't even dominate the local area!

Have to agree on the wasted promotions Ghost - I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but why were we trying to run before we could walk? We should have expected relegation and kept the nucleus of our promotion winning team to put us in a better position to come back stronger the next time. Like Burnley did, who of course went up at the same time as us and look at them now!

I was reading the comments about going up to the PL and not doing it properly, which made me think of how Burnley did do it right. Then I read your last sentence!

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General 'Championship' Thread 2018 - 2021 Jul 31, 2020 19:29:05 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Jul 31, 2020 19:29:05 GMT

Sheffield Wednesday to be deducted 12 points at the start of next season.

The points deduction is for breaking the EFL's profitability and sustainability rules.

The EFL statement said Sheffield Wednesday "should not have included profits from the sale of Hillsborough Stadium in the club's financial statements for the period ending July 2018.

Something for Aston Villa to look forward to, Its just a matter of time!

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General 'Championship' Thread 2018 - 2021 Jul 31, 2020 20:11:49 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Jul 31, 2020 20:11:49 GMT

Jul 31, 2020 19:29:05 GMT stoatey said:

Sheffield Wednesday to be deducted 12 points at the start of next season.

The points deduction is for breaking the EFL's profitability and sustainability rules.

The EFL statement said Sheffield Wednesday "should not have included profits from the sale of Hillsborough Stadium in the club's financial statements for the period ending July 2018.

Something for Aston Villa to look forward to, Its just a matter of time!

About time. But why is it only being applied next season? Shouldn't it be applied now like Wigan's point deduction? It seems a bit unfair on Wigan to me.

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General 'Championship' Thread 2018 - 2021 Jul 31, 2020 21:19:04 GMT

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Post by Rosco Bosco on Jul 31, 2020 21:19:04 GMT

Jul 31, 2020 19:29:05 GMT stoatey said:

Sheffield Wednesday to be deducted 12 points at the start of next season.

The points deduction is for breaking the EFL's profitability and sustainability rules.

The EFL statement said Sheffield Wednesday "should not have included profits from the sale of Hillsborough Stadium in the club's financial statements for the period ending July 2018.

Something for Aston Villa to look forward to, Its just a matter of time!

So, Wigan are docked points this season and are relegated as a result.
Sheffield Wednesday, who imho are guilty of something substantially worse (manipulation/deception) are saved from relegation by delaying their points deduction, when application of the deduction this season would see them finish bottom and save Charlton from relegation.

This stinks to high heaven. EFLuent indeed.
If it is not fraudulent (different rules for the 'bigger' clubs) it is at the very least incompetent.
The contempt with which the EFL (mis)uses the rules and treats fans as stupid peasants beggars belief.

Cue legal action from Charlton, and further legal action from Wigan.

northwesthoop Stan Bowles @admin Posts: 12,654	General 'Championship' Thread 2018 - 2021 Jul 31, 2020 21:26:15 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by northwesthoop on Jul 31, 2020 21:26:15 GMT Basically if the decision had come 9 days ago they'd be down. What a farce the governing body is in this country. If I were a Wigan or Charlton fan I'd be kicking up an absolute storm.
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General 'Championship' Thread 2018 - 2021 Jul 31, 2020 21:28:35 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Jul 31, 2020 21:28:35 GMT

Jul 31, 2020 21:26:15 GMT northwesthoop said:

Basically if the decision had come 9 days ago they'd be down.
What a farce the governing body is in this country.
If I were a Wigan or Charlton fan I'd be kicking up an absolute storm.

Stinks - EFLuent is right!

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General 'Championship' Thread 2018 - 2021 Jul 31, 2020 21:48:18 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Jul 31, 2020 21:48:18 GMT

The ELF statement says,

An independent disciplinary commission, appointed under EFL regulations, has ruled that Sheffield Wednesday will receive a 12-point deduction for breaching the league's profitability and sustainability rules for the three season reporting period ending with season 2017-18.

The EFL also said that the points deduction will take effect next season.

Wednesday were found not guilty of "deliberately concealing information".

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General 'Championship' Thread 2018 - 2021 Aug 1, 2020 12:26:45 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Aug 1, 2020 12:26:45 GMT

Jul 31, 2020 21:48:18 GMT stoatey said:

The ELF statement says,

An independent disciplinary commission, appointed under EFL regulations, has ruled that Sheffield Wednesday will receive a 12-point deduction for breaching the league's profitability and sustainability rules for the three season reporting period ending with season 2017-18.

The EFL also said that the points deduction will take effect next season. Wednesday were found not guilty of "deliberately concealing information".

So 3 years to get to a decision? makes a mockery of the ' active policing' by the EFL.

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General 'Championship' Thread 2018 - 2021 Aug 1, 2020 14:56:23 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Aug 1, 2020 14:56:23 GMT

Aug 1, 2020 12:26:45 GMT kingfisher said:

Jul 31, 2020 21:48:18 GMT stoatey said:

The ELF statement says,

An independent disciplinary commission, appointed under EFL regulations, has ruled that Sheffield Wednesday will receive a 12-point deduction for breaching the league's profitability and sustainability rules for the three season reporting period ending with season 2017-18.

The EFL also said that the points deduction will take effect next season. Wednesday were found not guilty of "deliberately concealing information".

So 3 years to get to a decision? makes a mockery of the ' active policing' by the EFL.

I agree. The EFL seem to interpret and impose their sanctions on a really Ad Hoc basis. The issue as I see things is that if you are mates with the latest Board members the rules may be twisted in your favour. For info., these are the latest board members who run the show.

Rick Parry Chairman (Liverpool fan)

Debbie Jevans CBE Senior Independent Non-Executive Director (Tennis player)

Simon Bazalgette Independent Non-Executive Director (Brentford fan and Head of the Jockey Club)

Mark Ashton - Championship Director – Bristol City

Stephen Pearce - Championship Director – Derby County

Nigel Howe - Championship Director – Reading

Jez Moxey - League One Director – Burton Albion

Steven Curwood - League One Director - Fleetwood Town

John Nixon - League Two Director – Carlisle United

I assume Sheffield Wednesday must have appealled the original decision or why the need to appoint an 'Independent Commission.

It does seem very strange that Wigan get their penalty imposed this season but Sheffeild Wednesday can leave theirs until next season.

Yet again the only winners will be the Lawyers!

General 'Championship' Thread 2018 - 2021

Post by kingfisher on Jul 26, 2020 13:30:58 GMT

Post by stoatey on Jul 30, 2020 21:42:25 GMT

Post by northwesthoop on Jul 30, 2020 21:45:38 GMT

Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 7:54:27 GMT

Post by Ghost on Jul 31, 2020 9:04:11 GMT

Post by northwesthoop on Jul 31, 2020 9:24:46 GMT

Post by kingfisher on Jul 31, 2020 17:00:35 GMT

Post by stoatey on Jul 31, 2020 19:29:05 GMT

Post by northwesthoop on Jul 31, 2020 20:11:49 GMT

Post by Rosco Bosco on Jul 31, 2020 21:19:04 GMT

Post by northwesthoop on Jul 31, 2020 21:26:15 GMT

Post by kingfisher on Jul 31, 2020 21:28:35 GMT

Post by stoatey on Jul 31, 2020 21:48:18 GMT

Post by kingfisher on Aug 1, 2020 12:26:45 GMT

Post by stoatey on Aug 1, 2020 14:56:23 GMT