Post by northwesthoop on Aug 21, 2019 21:07:43 GMT
Some thoughts on what was a strange match. It wasn't a 1-3 match. Lumley only really had to pick the ball out of his net and we couldn't put the ball in the other net enough. We are a better team than last season and in some ways I don't know how we only have 4 points from 4 matches as we do look better than that.
• We need to be more clinical when on top. Eze had a clear chance in the first 4 minutes and scuffed it wide, he had one the keeper just tipped round the post, Hugill drilled just over then we give it away from our corner and then suddenly we are 1-0 down... if we take those chances it is a totally different game. On the other hand Swansea were literally gifted their first two goals. If we can’t take our chances and then also give away sloppy goals it is hard to win games. • The game swung in a 5 minute spell where we equalised, had a huge chance to go ahead and then blew it by giving away a schoolboy penalty at the other end. All the momentum was with us after we scored. We look a far better team than last season but we are so typically QPR underneath. • The penalty lost us the game and Barbet was crazy to dive in like that. It was Lynch-esque. Yes he is good coming out with the ball but defensively he leaves a lot to be desired, he has given away 2 penalties in 4 games! He was ball watching for the 3rd goal too, just letting his man drift behind him. Poor. • Why was Ball not on the bench when Cameron cannot play 2 matches in 4 days? Anybody who knows QPR from last season could tell Warburton that. Leaving Scowen as a sole defensive presence meant we were always being overrun on the break in the second half. • Until we can cut out the defensive errors and start looking like we may keep a clean sheet we aren’t going to progress • Matt Smith had a nightmare. I am not sure what he brings to the table and the pass he gave away for their opener was so stupid trying to thread a needle through Swansea players, then he commits himself to a challenge when he should just back off to make the breakaway harder. Amos was also anonymous before he was taken off and really needs to step up his game. • Pugh and Chair HAVE to start on Saturday, they were both very good.
Stating the obvious (but I will anyway): It is all well and good to be playing good to watch football but we do have to win too. Giving away stupid goals and failing to convert decent chances means we get caned! The coaching staff have to work on both issues with the squad and, as has been pointed out, Warburton needs to consider a lot more who should start. I wanted both Ball and Chair to start and only got Kane, so I was fearful....
Little chair is full of enthusiasm and deserves a chance Pugh once settled will be a real asset to the team It seems to me that we are a bit unorganised and it’s not quite clicking at the moment Hopefully we will come good and start winning again
1. Eze who was my QPR man of the match, he got forward plus he supported the defence.
2. BOS - very good going forward and caused Swansea problems.
The negatives were:
1. Smith- lost his man for the first Swansea goal and was never in the game
2. Barbet - made a rash challenge to give away a penalty against Huddersfield and did the same again tonight. He looks to be this season's Lynch
3. Kane- very good going forward but schoolboy defending for the 3rd Swansea goal
4. Hugill, scored a good header but is no more than a slightly more mobile Matt Smith, kept running offside and eventually got booked for stupidly abusing the linesman.
Swansea deserved their win and Bidwell will have a big smile on his face tonight!
It's important to give Warburton and the players at least 10 games but at this stage apart from Amos and possibly Pugh the rest of Warburton's signings are no better than what we already have at the club.
Well that was a frustrating night. I don’t know how we lost that.
I do feel Warburton got it wrong with his substitutions. I feel Chair should’ve come on for Amos to give us more of an attacking drive straight after going behind, which could’ve allowed Wells to come on at Half Time for Cameron. The extra attacking threat would’ve helped us hurt Swansea, and I’m convinced Wells would’ve put away at least one of the chances we squandered tonight
Also that’s a long unbeaten run now ended for me. Before tonight, I hadn’t seen us lose a home game since we played Fulham back in the 17-18 season
I think what last night proved is how much we miss Luke Freeman His attacking threat would of opened them up even more and he’d of finished some of those chances Our defence is weak and Barbet is becoming a liability in my opinion He’s supposed to be a good player It’s annoying as the scoreline made it look like a one sided encounter It wasn’t and our players must start to wonder why they are not winning at the moment We can’t average a point a game though as 46 won’t be enough Swansea showed us how to be clinical in the box and that’s what we need to try and do as we won’t keep many clean sheets playing like we do Just maybe cheap signings and loan players isn’t going to be enough to win the games we need to We play good football and to have more possession than a team like Swansea shows how well we pass it now But with 22 shots and one on target that’s not very good at all
It's quite probably my understanding of Warburton's tactics but hopefully one of you guys will be able to clarify for me.
I was having difficulty understanding the roles of Amos and Smith. My understanding is that Amos is an attacking midfielder and that Smith is a defensive midfielder yet last night they seemed to play the opposite way around or was that just my reading of the game. I thought Smith looked quite aimless and my first impression was that he not only seemed off the pace he also seemed lost.
It's possible that Smith's poor performance was because he was playing in an alien position rather than just not being good enough.
If Amos is seen as a skillfull attacking midfielder that is expected to be challenging Dele Ali for a role in the Spurs team then why do we think that Warburton is starting him in a more defensive role.
I’m surprised smith was so poor He’s highly rated by one of the best teams in the premier league Man City obviously see his potential I hope leistner comes into defence as Barbet is costing us goals at the moment
It's quite probably my understanding of Warburton's tactics but hopefully one of you guys will be able to clarify for me. I was having difficulty understanding the roles of Amos and Smith. My understanding is that Amos is an attacking midfielder and that Smith is a defensive midfielder yet last night they seemed to play the opposite way around or was that just my reading of the game. I thought Smith looked quite aimless and my first impression was that he not only seemed off the pace he also seemed lost. It's possible that Smith's poor performance was because he was playing in an alien position rather than just not being good enough. If Amos is seen as a skillfull attacking midfielder that is expected to be challenging Dele Ali for a role in the Spurs team then why do we think that Warburton is starting him in a more defensive role.
Smith was definitely playing closer to Hugill in the '10' role. However, his instinct is to drop back looking for the ball so that leaves Hugill isolated. Hugill was often challenging for balls in the first half with nobody in a hooped shirt even near him. Smith looks to me like the type of player who may well clock up 95% pass accuracy (not last night!) but every pass is just a safe pass. He goes side to side and backwards killing any forward momentum. So that is not who you want in behind the striker.
I think Warburton wants Cameron sitting with Amos going box to box next to him. But it means the game is sometimes passing Amos by a bit. He was so anonymous last night (and the sky camera was on the moon so hard to see) I didn't notice he had gone off as we must have been talking when the commentator said it. It was only when we saw Scowen in the second half we were saying 'where is Amos'!
That midfield trio is what keeps changing each game and is clearly what we need to nail down to help us improve as I do think everybody else from Manning to Kane to BOS and Eze are playing well. The starting line up has been largely the same apart from who is playing behind the striker.
On Barbet he needs to focus on his defensive role more. He clearly offers a lot of ability on the ball and helps with the style of play but if he gives away a penalty in 50% of the matches he plays that outweighs the benefits of having him in the team.
Well it only took us 4 games to return to our old faithful position of 19th!
2 defeats in a row have seen us plunge down the table 15 places in half a week.
It is worth remembering that 12 months ago we were rock bottom with zero points from the opening 4 games. We then ironically won 1-0 at home to Wigan who of course we face again on Saturday in a repeat fixture.
Matt Smith has started 2 games and we have lost both. The 2 games he wasn't involved in we got 4 points.
Jordan Hugill, love him or hate him, has a 50% strike rate so far this season with 2 goals in 4 games.
It's quite probably my understanding of Warburton's tactics but hopefully one of you guys will be able to clarify for me. I was having difficulty understanding the roles of Amos and Smith. My understanding is that Amos is an attacking midfielder and that Smith is a defensive midfielder yet last night they seemed to play the opposite way around or was that just my reading of the game. I thought Smith looked quite aimless and my first impression was that he not only seemed off the pace he also seemed lost. It's possible that Smith's poor performance was because he was playing in an alien position rather than just not being good enough. If Amos is seen as a skillfull attacking midfielder that is expected to be challenging Dele Ali for a role in the Spurs team then why do we think that Warburton is starting him in a more defensive role.
Smith was definitely playing closer to Hugill in the '10' role. However, his instinct is to drop back looking for the ball so that leaves Hugill isolated. Hugill was often challenging for balls in the first half with nobody in a hooped shirt even near him. Smith looks to me like the type of player who may well clock up 95% pass accuracy (not last night!) but every pass is just a safe pass. He goes side to side and backwards killing any forward momentum. So that is not who you want in behind the striker.
I think Warburton wants Cameron sitting with Amos going box to box next to him. But it means the game is sometimes passing Amos by a bit. He was so anonymous last night (and the sky camera was on the moon so hard to see) I didn't notice he had gone off as we must have been talking when the commentator said it. It was only when we saw Scowen in the second half we were saying 'where is Amos'!
That midfield trio is what keeps changing each game and is clearly what we need to nail down to help us improve as I do think everybody else from Manning to Kane to BOS and Eze are playing well. The starting line up has been largely the same apart from who is playing behind the striker.
On Barbet he needs to focus on his defensive role more. He clearly offers a lot of ability on the ball and helps with the style of play but if he gives away a penalty in 50% of the matches he plays that outweighs the benefits of having him in the team.
It's quite probably my understanding of Warburton's tactics but hopefully one of you guys will be able to clarify for me. I was having difficulty understanding the roles of Amos and Smith. My understanding is that Amos is an attacking midfielder and that Smith is a defensive midfielder yet last night they seemed to play the opposite way around or was that just my reading of the game. I thought Smith looked quite aimless and my first impression was that he not only seemed off the pace he also seemed lost. It's possible that Smith's poor performance was because he was playing in an alien position rather than just not being good enough. If Amos is seen as a skillfull attacking midfielder that is expected to be challenging Dele Ali for a role in the Spurs team then why do we think that Warburton is starting him in a more defensive role.
Smith was definitely playing closer to Hugill in the '10' role. However, his instinct is to drop back looking for the ball so that leaves Hugill isolated. Hugill was often challenging for balls in the first half with nobody in a hooped shirt even near him. Smith looks to me like the type of player who may well clock up 95% pass accuracy (not last night!) but every pass is just a safe pass. He goes side to side and backwards killing any forward momentum. So that is not who you want in behind the striker.
I think Warburton wants Cameron sitting with Amos going box to box next to him. But it means the game is sometimes passing Amos by a bit. He was so anonymous last night (and the sky camera was on the moon so hard to see) I didn't notice he had gone off as we must have been talking when the commentator said it. It was only when we saw Scowen in the second half we were saying 'where is Amos'!
That midfield trio is what keeps changing each game and is clearly what we need to nail down to help us improve as I do think everybody else from Manning to Kane to BOS and Eze are playing well. The starting line up has been largely the same apart from who is playing behind the striker.
On Barbet he needs to focus on his defensive role more. He clearly offers a lot of ability on the ball and helps with the style of play but if he gives away a penalty in 50% of the matches he plays that outweighs the benefits of having him in the team.
Both of you are right in your assessment stoatey & northwesthoop. I would only add that until Pugh & Chair came on there was a reluctance of the other strikers to join Hugill in the goal area to receive crosses. That meant Hugill was outnumbered so, despite his obvious abilities to hold up play and strike, he had no chance! I would also like to mention Bidwell's handball - which should have been spotted by at least one official and a penalty awarded!!
