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stoatey
Gerry Francis

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Points Dropped/ Gained 2021/22 Oct 17, 2021 13:08:24 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Oct 17, 2021 13:08:24 GMT

In the last 4/5 weeks we have played 3 of the top promotion contenders in Bournemouth, WBA and Fulham and all of those games have been away from home. Apart from the Fulham game I think we have held our own and have caused the opposition issues. No match is easy in this league but when we can put out our best team we will be competitive against anyone.

Whilst we aren't a top 4 team I do believe that we will finish in the top half of the table and a play off place is still something we can achieve. At the moment we are struggling to put out our best team, this is mainly due to injuries but IMO its also because of some strange team choices by Warburton.

The biggest issue for me is the right wing back position where neither Odubajo or Kakay are Championship class and both IMO are defensively poor. The only other issue for me is the number of sicknotes that are in the team. Players like Wallace, Field and Amos have had injury problems for many seasons and in a league like the Championship we need robust players who spend more time on the pitch than in the injury room.

We might have expected too much after the way we finished last season but however the season goes I think we now have the basis of a very good team.

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Points Dropped/ Gained 2021/22 Oct 17, 2021 15:39:02 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Oct 17, 2021 15:39:02 GMT

Oct 17, 2021 11:16:48 GMT jimjams said:

Even if we crept into that position at the end of the season you would have to bet against us making it through the playoffs.

This is a good point really - if we do make the top 6 we are likely to face one of Fulham/West Brom/Bournemouth at some point which looks a step too far for us as things stand.

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Terry Fenwick

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Points Dropped/ Gained 2021/22 Oct 18, 2021 9:40:45 GMT

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Post by jimjams on Oct 18, 2021 9:40:45 GMT

This is a good point really

Thank you! :-)

"...as things stand" is the important bit...we have to stay close to 6th place until Jan and then things can turn around pretty quickly with a couple of decent loans just like they did last year

ranger-boy
Don Givens

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Points Dropped/ Gained 2021/22 Oct 21, 2021 1:29:36 GMT

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Post by ranger-boy on Oct 21, 2021 1:29:36 GMT

Oct 17, 2021 15:39:02 GMT northwesthoop said:

Oct 17, 2021 11:16:48 GMT jimjams said:

Even if we crept into that position at the end of the season you would have to bet against us making it through the playoffs.

This is a good point really - if we do make the top 6 we are likely to face one of Fulham/West Brom/Bournemouth at some point which looks a step too far for us as things stand.

Even if we do make the play-offs and lose, that will be a fantastic season! It'll prove that we are capable of doing it and being up there.

If we managed to get there and ended up playing Coventry or Bournemouth, I'd fancy our chances. However if we got there and lost to Fulham again, I would launch myself in to the Thames this time!

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LurkR
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Points Dropped/ Gained 2021/22 Oct 21, 2021 7:57:10 GMT

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Post by LurkR on Oct 21, 2021 7:57:10 GMT

Oct 17, 2021 15:39:02 GMT northwesthoop said:

Oct 17, 2021 11:16:48 GMT jimjams said:

This is a good point really - if we do make the top 6 we are likely to face one of Fulham/West Brom/Bournemouth at some point which looks a step too far for us as things stand.

I'm not sure I agree NW, as Stoatey pointed out above we did well against both WBA and Bournemouth away from home, if you look at the points dropped / gained table it suggested we dropped points in both games. Let's just hope its not Fulham when we get there.

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northwesthoop
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Points Dropped/ Gained 2021/22 Oct 21, 2021 8:39:46 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Oct 21, 2021 8:39:46 GMT

I hope you are right LurkR, although we played decent against Bournemouth and still lost.

One thing we can all agree on is that if we get Fulham we will need to build up at least a 4 goal lead in the home leg!

As things stand I think Bournemouth (don't concede and seem to have the slight edge over everybody) and Fulham (looked good against us and have Mitrovic) will take the top 2 places. West Brom are the least impressive of the three and more likely to be a play off opponent.

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stoatey
Gerry Francis

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Points Dropped/ Gained 2021/22 Oct 21, 2021 13:30:47 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Oct 21, 2021 13:30:47 GMT

I would like to think that the Fulham game was no more than a blip and that with a wiser Rob Dickie the game would be a lot tighter. Playing against Mitrovitch must have brought Dickie down to earth a bit after his great start to the season and he now realises what is required against the better strikers. The other issue in that game was we lost all shape when McCallum was taken off.

We will be in a better position to judge once we start playing the likes of Bournemouth, Fulham and WBA on our own pitch. I still believe that there is hardly anything between the teams in this league and that everyone is going to have a poor run.

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Terry Fenwick

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Points Dropped/ Gained 2021/22 Oct 21, 2021 20:34:38 GMT

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Post by jimjams on Oct 21, 2021 20:34:38 GMT

Hmmm... I think Dickie came back down to earth several games back when he had the ball taken off him and we conceded... What game was that?

Anyway he's not looked so confident since which is a shame because it was just one mistake.

I don't know why we lost shape after McCullum went off... We've played a few games now with Barbet at LB and we've done alright.

ranger-boy
Don Givens

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Points Dropped/ Gained 2021/22 Oct 21, 2021 23:49:59 GMT

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Post by ranger-boy on Oct 21, 2021 23:49:59 GMT

Oct 21, 2021 20:34:38 GMT jimjams said:

Hmmm... I think Dickie came back down to earth several games back when he had the ball taken off him and we conceded... What game was that?

Bournemouth away

To be fair, I think all players need a couple of games where they either make a big error or get shown up. It's not nice, but it's what they need to learn and help improve so they don't suffer it again.

It's all well and good having youngsters have great games, but it's also good to see how they respond to bad games. To be fair to Dickie, I was very impressed with how he responded on Tuesday night!

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jimjams
Terry Fenwick

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Points Dropped/ Gained 2021/22 Dec 16, 2021 10:12:31 GMT

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Post by jimjams on Dec 16, 2021 10:12:31 GMT

So the consensus is we dropped a point against Stoke which takes us now to a full 3 points dropped over the course of the season so far.

I think that sounds right and I think it also highlights how valuable every point is and how small the margins are between success and failure. An extra 3 points would have us on 38 points...still in 5th but very much in touch with the top 2 rather than where we are now which is within touching distance of teams outside of the playoffs.

Just so you know, I've not been putting up polls after every game because over the last 10 games I've not heard any complaints about the nature of the results, win, lose or draw. If anyone wants to retrospectively look back at any of the previous 10 and argue a case for points dropped or gained feel free.

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Points Dropped/ Gained 2021/22 Dec 16, 2021 10:17:05 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Dec 16, 2021 10:17:05 GMT

I think you could potentially argue that Forest (H) was 2 points dropped, letting in a last minute equaliser... but conversely Derby (A) could be seen as 2 points gained considering we were behind at half time and only a moment of sheer magic in the last minute sealed the win.

But it doesn't change the current tally anyway as they cancel each other out

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Terry Fenwick

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Points Dropped/ Gained 2021/22 Dec 16, 2021 11:01:48 GMT

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Post by jimjams on Dec 16, 2021 11:01:48 GMT

Dec 16, 2021 10:17:05 GMT northwesthoop said:

I think you could potentially argue that Forest (H) was 2 points dropped, letting in a last minute equaliser... but conversely Derby (A) could be seen as 2 points gained considering we were behind at half time and only a moment of sheer magic in the last minute sealed the win.

But it doesn't change the current tally anyway as they cancel each other out

Like you say NW, they cancel themselves out but to be honest I don't think there's too much of an argument for either...I think you're falling into the trap of seeing a very late goal and deducing that we either made a terrible error or got extremely lucky.

My memory of the Forest game is that it was a pretty evenly matched game, not many clear cut chances for either side and neither side being overly dominant. We scored at the end of the first half and they were pushing for an equaliser after that...the fact that they left it late to get the equaliser shouldn't detract from the fact that it was a very even game...it's not on a par with Bristol City's smash and grab!

Same with Derby really...yes a moment of magic from Gray but we had been completely blitzing them for the previous 30 mins...if any of our other attempts had gone in earlier we'd just be saying it was simply a fair reflexion of a dominate performance, because it was such an amazing goal and so late on it feels more momentous/lucky...but really it's what our play deserved.

stoatey
Gerry Francis

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Points Dropped/ Gained 2021/22 Dec 16, 2021 11:27:00 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Dec 16, 2021 11:27:00 GMT

With nearly half the season gone our current points and position reflects where I hoped we would be. Apart from the Stoke game where we looked toothless and deserved nothing from the game our points are a fair reflection of our performances.

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Points Dropped/ Gained 2021/22 Dec 16, 2021 14:05:21 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Dec 16, 2021 14:05:21 GMT

Dec 16, 2021 11:27:00 GMT stoatey said:

With nearly half the season gone our current points and position reflects where I hoped we would be. Apart from the Stoke game where we looked toothless and deserved nothing from the game our points are a fair reflection of our performances.

As is often the case stoatey - I find myself in total agreement with you!

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