QPR Vs Barnsley

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QPR Vs Barnsley Aug 19, 2021 11:40:47 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Aug 19, 2021 11:40:47 GMT

We return home with 6 points from the 2 tough away matches. An incredible effort.

But we did look a little like the walking wounded towards the end against Middlesbrough so there will be question marks over the line up against Barnsley. The team for the first 3 games was pretty much certain before kick off, but not for this one.
Johansen could barely stand at the end whilst Dykes and Wallace went off injured. Austin could be banned and Odubajo will miss 1 match for his red.

It is a massive opportunity for Kakay. If he can perform Odubajo shouldn't just walk back into the team.

I imagine that McCallum could be starting and if De Wijs cannot manage 3 games in a week Jimmy Dunne could well get a start too.

Then there is the question of whether Dykes is fit and if Austin will be suspended.

If most of the usual faces can make it through the Barnsley match I expect a much more changed 11 against Oxford in the cup than we saw against Leyton Orient. I can envisage even Dickie and Barbet sitting that one out.

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QPR Vs Barnsley Aug 19, 2021 19:40:05 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Aug 19, 2021 19:40:05 GMT

As already highlighted by northwesthoop there are loads of it's and buts about who will start on Saturday. We knew at the start of the season that we have several injury prone and ageing players who will struggle to play 3 games in 7 days.

The players who are cast iron to play against Barnsley are Dieng, Kakay, Dickie, Barbet, Ball,Chair and Willock.

That leaves us 4 places to fill and we know that if they are fit enough 3 of those four will be de Wijs, Johansen and Wallace. If they are not fit then there replacements will be Dunne, Dozzell and McCallum (how match fit McCallum actually is remains to be seen and whilst I can see him playing some minutes I doubt it will be the whole game).

The big question is who plays up front with Willock and I think it will be Austin.

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Dickie, de Wijs,Barbet
Kakay, Ball, Chair, Johansen,Wallace
Willock
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QPR Vs Barnsley Aug 19, 2021 20:13:31 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Aug 19, 2021 20:13:31 GMT

I think if anybody misses out it could be Wallace.
Johansen was just tired, De Wijs seemed fine and hopefully Dykes was just a knock. Wallace looked in pain to me and I expect Warburton won't want to risk him.
If McCallum isn't ready either then we could have a big question mark over who starts at left wing back... Barbet? Adomah?

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QPR Vs Barnsley Aug 19, 2021 20:32:54 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Aug 19, 2021 20:32:54 GMT

Aug 19, 2021 20:13:31 GMT northwesthoop said:

I think if anybody misses out it could be Wallace.
Johansen was just tired, De Wijs seemed fine and hopefully Dykes was just a knock. Wallace looked in pain to me and I expect Warburton won't want to risk him.
If McCallum isn't ready either then we could have a big question mark over who starts at left wing back... Barbet? Adomah?

Dunne is left-footed and could cover if they go to a Back 4 (with Adomah coming in on the right wing), otherwise it is a case of Wallace or McCallum (one of which was injured and the other has yet to reappear, even on the bench). Up front our options are even worse if Dykes is injured and Austin does get a ban, unless we make the rumoured Andre Grey signing it has to be Kelman or perhaps Adomah? Going to be an interesting game, and another I will miss seeing live!

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QPR Vs Barnsley Aug 19, 2021 22:45:55 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Aug 19, 2021 22:45:55 GMT

If the worst happens and Austin gets banned and Dykes is injured I still don't see Warburton starting with Kelman. Kelman has never scored a competitive goal for us and has never looked like scoring for us.

Warburton hates making too many changes and if the 2 main strikers aren't available I reckon he will play Willock and Chair in advanced roles and bring Dozzell into central midfield. It may not be ideal but the movement of Willock and Chair should pull the Barnsley defenders all over the place. The biggest concern will be the loss of Dykes or Austin's height when defending set pieces.

Barnsley like to play 3-4-3 or 3-4-1-2 with 3 big centre backs so having to play against the movement of 2 tricky forwards will be something that should cause them issues. We would just need to be sensible and keep the passes on the deck.

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Dickie, de Wijs, Barbet
Kakay, Ball, Dozzell, Johansen, Wallace
Chair
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QPR Vs Barnsley Aug 20, 2021 17:47:42 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Aug 20, 2021 17:47:42 GMT

If Dykes & Austin are not available, then we seem to accept Kelman is not a viable starter; so then you have to consider either Adomah in the middle instead or an 'aaray of talent' from attacking midfielders [such as a front-line of Chair, Willock and Dozzell/Ball]. However I expect it to be Austin back up front.

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QPR Vs Barnsley Aug 20, 2021 22:00:06 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Aug 20, 2021 22:00:06 GMT

If Austin was going to get a ban we'd surely have known by now.

So I would expect him to start. Dykes did 2 hard shifts against Hull and Boro so if he is fit enough to make the squad I'd fancy him to be on the bench*.

*That is unless we sign Josh Windass, Charlie Wyke or Chucks Aneke before kick off of course.

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QPR Vs Barnsley Aug 20, 2021 22:51:03 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Aug 20, 2021 22:51:03 GMT

Aug 20, 2021 22:00:06 GMT northwesthoop said:

If Austin was going to get a ban we'd surely have known by now.

So I would expect him to start. Dykes did 2 hard shifts against Hull and Boro so if he is fit enough to make the squad I'd fancy him to be on the bench*.

*That is unless we sign Josh Windass, Charlie Wyke or Chucks Aneke before kick off of course.

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QPR Vs Barnsley Aug 21, 2021 1:15:56 GMT

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Post by ranger-boy on Aug 21, 2021 1:15:56 GMT

I'm aware this is possibly a very stupid question, but IF we get to after tomorrows game and Austin hasn't been banned, would they still be able to hand one out? Or does it have to be done before the next match? I don't know how this works.

On paper, we should be able to get a result tomorrow. Barnsley don't look as threatening since they lost their manager and Dike* whilst we look like we could beat anyone. However, the other thing to take in to account is how hard the players had to dig in for over 100 minutes on Wednesday. How will their recovery have been and will they be able to put in a similar performance after that?

This lot have doubled us for 2 seasons now (although granted 3 of those games were behind closed doors). can we please just end this mini losing run tomorrow and turn them over by a few goals?

One thing I'm sure we can all agree on, Warburton is surely going to make huge changes for Tuesdays cup tie after a very busy week. Probably a lot more youngsters will be in to give the team from Wednesday/tomorrow a good bit of well earned rest.

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QPR Vs Barnsley Aug 21, 2021 6:52:07 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Aug 21, 2021 6:52:07 GMT

Aug 21, 2021 1:15:56 GMT ranger-boy said:

I'm aware this is possibly a very stupid question, but IF we get to after tomorrows game and Austin hasn't been banned, would they still be able to hand one out? Or does it have to be done before the next match? I don't know how this works.
...the other thing to take in to account is how hard the players had to dig in for over 100 minutes on Wednesday. How will their recovery have been and will they be able to put in a similar performance after that?

The FA make it up as they go along so Austin could easily still get a ban in the next 4 hours or they could still make a decision next week. I still think that because the referee saw it and gave a free kick nothing can happen.

As for the recovery Warburton has confirmed that they stayed in a hotel in Middlesbrough for a second night after the game, had breakfast and travelled back by train, rather than travelling back through the night. So that will have helped with recovery somewhat.

He did seem concerned that they wouldn't get the time to look back at the 'Boro match and plan for Barnsley and set pieces etc in as much detail as he'd like.

Barbet made a good point on the QPRPod that the players were thinking positive that we have our worst 2 long away trips (and longest midweek trip) out of the way, early in the season when it was warmer, the pitches were better and we got 6 points.

Hopefully they are buzzing and the tired legs don't hurt quite so much! One thing for sure is that this will not be the time to go down to 10 men again, that could really cost us this time.

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QPR Vs Barnsley Aug 21, 2021 9:03:57 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Aug 21, 2021 9:03:57 GMT

In respect of Austin I believe that once the referee says he saw the incident and then reported it as a clash of heads that's is it.

Rule 5 says, Except for a serious missed incident the referee (and where relevant other 'on-field', match officials) must always make a decision (including a decision not to penalise a potential offence); this decision does not change unless it is a 'clear and obvious error'.

The trouble for the referee is that after the game they might want to change lots of their decisions but they have to go with how they saw things during the match.

The debate will be is it clear and obvious because from the tv angle it didn't look good. I suppose it can't be deemed as clear and obvious if the referee and his officials didn't see the incident as a head butt.

Charlie should count himself lucky and thank Grant Hall for getting up and shaking his hand. I think he got away with one and I'm sure that if he trangressses again the League hierachy will be looking to throw the book at him.

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QPR Vs Barnsley Aug 21, 2021 9:04:12 GMT

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Post by LurkR on Aug 21, 2021 9:04:12 GMT

Aug 21, 2021 6:52:07 GMT northwesthoop said:

Barbet made a good point on the QPRPod that the players were thinking positive that we have our worst 2 long away trips (and longest midweek trip) out of the way, early in the season when it was warmer, the pitches were better and we got 6 points.

All good points NW.

I thought Barbet came across really well on the pod, another good egg......

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QPR Vs Barnsley Aug 21, 2021 9:05:01 GMT

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Post by LurkR on Aug 21, 2021 9:05:01 GMT

Aug 21, 2021 9:03:57 GMT stoatey said:

In respect of Austin I believe that once the referee says he saw the incident and then reported it as a clash of heads that's is it.

Rule 5 says, Except for a serious missed incident the referee (and where relevant other 'on-field', match officials) must always make a decision (including a decision not to penalise a potential offence); this decision does not change unless it is a 'clear and obvious error'.

So he is off the hook?

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QPR Vs Barnsley Aug 21, 2021 9:53:44 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Aug 21, 2021 9:53:44 GMT

Aug 21, 2021 9:05:01 GMT LurkR said:

Aug 21, 2021 9:03:57 GMT stoatey said:

In respect of Austin I believe that once the referee says he saw the incident and then reported it as a clash of heads that's is it.

Rule 5 says, Except for a serious missed incident the referee (and where relevant other 'on-field', match officials) must always make a decision (including a decision not to penalise a potential offence); this decision does not change unless it is a 'clear and obvious error'.

So he is off the hook?

According to current rules it looks as though Charlie has got away with it. The referee has reported it as a clash of heads and because neither him or his officials saw it as deliberate then it has to be treated as accidental.

I see that Warnock remains furious about the decision and reckons he will be writing to the League demanding they take action. The trouble is that it's all subjective because from the ref's angle it looks a clash of heads and from another angle it looks a head butt. On that basis it can't be deemed clear and obvious so they have to go with the referee.

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