Where do we need strengthening most?

stoatey
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Where do we need strengthening most? Dec 11, 2021 19:10:10 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Dec 11, 2021 19:10:10 GMT

Dec 11, 2021 18:43:27 GMT @tomcat75 said:

Stoatey

my thoughts are for life in the championship if we are to progress to the premier league then we will have to overhaul the majority of the squad

if the unthinkable of promotion to premier league does happen these are my thoughts

Dieng keep
Archer move on
Walsh keep
kakay move on
Adomah move on tempted to keep for sentimental reasons and experience for the younger players but head says move on

Dickie keep
Dunne keep
Masterson keep
Barbet keep
De Wijs keep
Odubajo possibly keep as he can play both flanks
Wallace move on
Ball keep as he can play several positions but only a squad player and work to bring someone in to replace during the campaign
Field keep
Johansen keep
Dozzell keep
Amos keep
Thomas move on even if were in championship
Chair keep
Willock keep
Austin keep him until we can find a replacement long term would only keep to mentor the likes of Dykes and whoever is to come in
Dykes keep for early part of season move him on as he wont have the minerals
Gray send back to parent club

we all know the majority of squad isnt good enough for premier league and without being too negative that includes the likes of Barbet, Dunne, Chair and Willock but we have to keep the core of the team as we have learned the hard way in the past doing wholesale changes too quickly will kill us again

i think only Dickie could be premier league ready as is Dieng,Johansen for a while and maybe Amos and Field

this is why going up this season might not be the idea

Stoatey i dont disagree with what your saying about Ball

sometimes its not about ability sometimes its about the dressing room and i think Dom Ball is a very good squad player (we all know hes limited but for Dom its his effort that will keep him involved in the club)

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Where do we need strengthening most? Dec 12, 2021 16:56:06 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Dec 12, 2021 16:56:06 GMT

Dec 12, 2021 12:18:45 GMT @tomcat75 said:

who needs to type when you can respond by images?

thanks for the debate

was emotional

OK, we seem to have missed out the likes of Kelman, Owens, Duke-McKenna and Bettache. All of them are bubbling on the fringe of the senior squad. Do you keep them?

Personally I would definitely keep Bettache (as potential Chair replacement) and Kelman (as potential Austin replacement), but I do not know enough about Duke-McKenna or Owens to make a judgement. Thoughts from you and stoatey (or anyone else who wants to join in the conversation)? There are others out there too whom the club needs to decide upon supporting or letting them go.

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Where do we need strengthening most? Dec 12, 2021 18:16:11 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Dec 12, 2021 18:16:11 GMT

Dec 12, 2021 16:56:06 GMT kingfisher said:

Dec 12, 2021 12:18:45 GMT @tomcat75 said:

who needs to type when you can respond by images?

thanks for the debate

was emotional

OK, we seem to have missed out the likes of Kelman, Owens, Duke-McKenna and Bettache. All of them are bubbling on the fringe of the senior squad. Do you keep them?

Personally I would definitely keep Bettache (as potential Chair replacement) and Kelman (as potential Austin replacement), but I do not know enough about Duke-McKenna or Owens to make a judgement. Thoughts from you and stoatey (or anyone else who wants to join in the conversation)? There are others out there too whom the club needs to decide upon supporting or letting them go.

I was surprised when they sent Bettache out on loan because I thought at the time he had done well in the cup and he added something to our squad. Disappointingly, he has struggled at Oldham and failed to impose himself in a not very good team. Hopefully, they get him another loan move in January because he has a contract until 2023 with the option of another year. In respect of Charlie Owens I have seen him play a couple of times since his return to fitness and I just don't see him forcing his way into our first team squad so I would let him go. Duke McKenna is like Bettache in that he needs games to show what he can do. Obviously Warburton will see him in training most days but for us fans he is difficult to judge because he rarely gets any minutes.

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Where do we need strengthening most? Dec 12, 2021 22:03:48 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Dec 12, 2021 22:03:48 GMT

Dec 11, 2021 18:43:27 GMT @tomcat75 said:

we all know the majority of squad isnt good enough for premier league and without being too negative that includes the likes of Barbet, Dunne, Chair and Willock but we have to keep the core of the team as we have learned the hard way in the past doing wholesale changes too quickly will kill us again

i think only Dickie could be premier league ready as is Dieng,Johansen for a while and maybe Amos and Field

this is why going up this season might not be the idea

Personally I think those guys are very much Premier League quality (especially Dickie, Chair and Willock)

If we don't go up this season we will lose all of them and next season will be a transition season; I think we will be set back a few years if we don't go up this season because of how many key players we will lose.

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Where do we need strengthening most? Dec 13, 2021 10:27:14 GMT

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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 10:27:14 GMT

northwest

what im basically saying is that with the team we currently have IF we were to go up we would go straight back down

did you think Luke Freeman would do better when he left us? i did

how did he get on?

in a lot of ways Freeman was more premier league ready than both Willock and Chair

i think Chair is too small for the top flight at the end of the day yes he has moments in the championship of pure class as does Willock

but there is a huge gap between championship and premmier league as weve witnessed before

i did say i thought Dickie, Dieng and Johansen were ready btw and possibly Amos and Field but felt Barbet, Dunne, Chair and Willock (4 of our better players) were not quite there if we were to go up YES i would use them but im thinking we would struggle.

if we dont go up this season we wouldnt lose all of them we might lose 2 or 3 of them Dickie, Dieng the more attractive to the premier league teams at the moment as for Chair and Willock maybe one of them would leave but i would expect if chair and willock left they would be as effective as Luke freeman was when he left.

i like Willock and Chair but lets not get carried away they are just very good championship players but would just be very very average premier league players squad players at best

i would put them both in Newcastle team and look how good they are doing

maybe put them into the Burnley team or Southampton would they suit the style of play those clubs play?

could they both get into Brentfords team for example? im not sure they would

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Where do we need strengthening most?

Post by stoatey on Dec 11, 2021 19:10:10 GMT

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