I very much doubt those figures are correct, also a lot of the contracts have various bonuses put in so the basic wage is smaller but they get appearance fees, goal/win bonus etc
Hmmm… I take your points on Iroegbunam, but for me he epitomises everything that is wrong with midfield players in Britain. Wasteful in possession, clumsy on the ball, in possession of very limited skill, to me he is just a bloke that runs around and is evidence of the move away from actual footballers to simplistic athletes that has dominated British football since Patrick Vieira arrived. I must add here that Vieira was a ‘footballer’ who could play — what I’m saying is since he arrived the ideal centre midfielder in English football is now a 6ft 4in athlete who can run all day as opposed to a 5ft 8in player who keeps the ball all day long a la Iniesta or Modrić, which is a large factor in why England will continue to struggle to win anything. Iroegbunam in my eyes is nothing more than a Moussa Sissoko.
I agree with the point on Dozzell who is equally an inept footballer. Unlike Tim, he has one trick which is to pass the ball with his left foot and if that doesn’t work he just kicks the crap out of people. Another very limited individual who owes his career to his Dad’s name. He represents another problem I have with the modern game and that is the growing visibility of nepotism. There is a hideous number of sons of ex-players in the game now, which leaves a bad smell around English football and gives off the impression that is becoming a 1950s Government style ‘jobs for the boys’ system. You’ll hear commentators mention that it’s a meritocracy that is based on ability, but that is complete crap. There are plenty of other factors at play in why boy A makes it and boy B doesn’t.
Again, I’ll reiterate the Bettache point. For those who went to Orient last season when he was given a chance, the boy ran the game. His problem relates to the Tim one, the shift away from small footballers towards large athletes. The concerns amongst coaches are likely to be his height and weight and worries about him being overpowered and knocked off the ball. He’s arguably designed for a continental league. But that for me is where English football is going wrong in eliminating footballers like him at the expense of a guy who looks like he could be part of a 4x100 relay team or equally adept in a boxing ring. I know that’s how things seem to be now, but for me it’s wrong. The best teams in the world (City, Liverpool, Madrid, Bayern, PSG) none of them play with a guy like Iroegbunam in the middle.
On the Dortmund link that is simply just their business model, and it is not necessarily his performances that are raising attention. He fits the profile. Young, athletic and unlikely to get a look in at the bigger Premier league clubs. It’s simply a market strategy, a way of finding undervalued players in the market. It’s how Dortmund operate and has been since Klopp left, it’s also why they’re now an irrelevance in German football, too much emphasis on young players who are inconsistent and disappear to easily when the going gets tough.
I wince whenever I see Tim, Dozzell and Amos in the middle of our midfield. My worst nightmare is the three playing together.
And re the wages. Those figures don’t look surprising to me. Expected Roberts, Tim and Richards to be on high wages simply because of the clubs they belong to. Leeds and Villa pay well, Brighton make a lot of money through sales and are thus able to pay players a significant amount of money. It does though explain why so many young players seem reluctant to leave the Premier League academies and reserve teams when you see that first team players in the league below like Field, Willock and Dieng are underpaid for their value to the team
The loanee wages though should be caveated with the fact that we may not be paying the full whack on each individual
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I agree with jrpetty1882 that English football is based on a players physical attributes as apposed to there level of skill but this has always been the case.
Firstly it is easer to find an athletic 6 footer and teach him to destroy an attack than it is to find a smaller mobile player and teach him to unlock a defence
Secondly English fans want the ball moved forward quickly and get impatient with a passing game that does not produce a chance every 2 mins
Thirdly England has always prided itself in the more physical aspect of there game and say it is the best league in the world
fourthly Although England has produced highly skilful players like Gascoigne and played him regularly more often than not the highly skilful player like Bowles Marsh. Le Tessier Hudson Grealish are only bit part players
Fifthly Just look at England current central midfield players Bellingham Henderson and Rice Is it any wonder that player like Bettacher don't make it in England
As QPR fans we have been lucky to have had these so called maverick type players over the past 60 years. I would have liked Bettacher to get an other chance with us but we have 2 players blocking his first team appearances Chair and Willock.
It was interesting that the club managed to get Sam Field to sign a new contract especially as he could have left for free at the seasons end.
Whilst Sam has now signed a new deal it will be interesting to see what happens with the others whose contracts are up at the end of June 2024 (Chris Willock, Ossie Kakay, Aaron Drewe, Albert Adomah, Elijah Duke Mckenna, Asmir Begovic, Jordan Archer and Joe Walsh). Marti will want the opportunity to bring in his own men but it's possible that of those mentioned he'd only be happy to offer new deals to Willock and Duke Mckenna.
The contracts of Jimmy Dunne and Sinclair Armstrong also end in June but the club has a further 12 month option on both which I'd presume they will implement.
There will be plenty of players being released in the summer and as already mentioned by Kingfisher it's possible that Isaac Hayden will be high on Marti's list.
Why did field sign an extension to his contract When he could be playing in a lower league I don’t actually understand why he risked it He’s far too good a player to play league one football Did Marti convince him we will survive
There will be plenty of players being released in the summer and as already mentioned by Kingfisher it's possible that Isaac Hayden will be high on Marti's list.
There are financial issues with the Hayden deal, and that has been a factor in why he’s not made a permanent move away from Newcastle despite stating he wanted to move south nearly 3 years ago. I think he’d prove out of our price range. It may be a go-er if they could get someone like Colback off the books, but we’d be talking about Hayden accepting a 50%+ pay-cut which I just don’t see.
I think a lot of summer dealings will hinge upon two things. 1 - Offloading Taylor Richards and 2 - Dykes having a successful European Championships and being sold at an inflated fee off of the back of it.
I also had a thought about what happens if we stay up and then breach FFP next season. And I think the club will go along the lines of what Everton did re Gylfi Sigurdsson and argue that the clubs income has been significantly undermined by Ilias Chair’s impending court charge. Given that the incident happened a few years back, you would anticipate the club were aware of it. And I expect they will argue that uncertainty over his legal freedom prevented the club from marketing him at market value and thus bringing in serious money to prevent a breach. It’s a complicated argument and one Everton failed on regarding Sigurdsson, but it is a possible option should a breach occur. Equally we’ve got fans that serve as KC’s in Sports Law such as Nick DeMarco, so they will have access to elite lawyers in that event.
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There will be plenty of players being released in the summer and as already mentioned by Kingfisher it's possible that Isaac Hayden will be high on Marti's list.
There are financial issues with the Hayden deal, and that has been a factor in why he’s not made a permanent move away from Newcastle despite stating he wanted to move south nearly 3 years ago. I think he’d prove out of our price range. It may be a go-er if they could get someone like Colback off the books, but we’d be talking about Hayden accepting a 50%+ pay-cut which I just don’t see.
I think a lot of summer dealings will hinge upon two things. 1 - Offloading Taylor Richards and 2 - Dykes having a successful European Championships and being sold at an inflated fee off of the back of it.
I also had a thought about what happens if we stay up and then breach FFP next season. And I think the club will go along the lines of what Everton did re Gylfi Sigurdsson and argue that the clubs income has been significantly undermined by Ilias Chair’s impending court charge. Given that the incident happened a few years back, you would anticipate the club were aware of it. And I expect they will argue that uncertainty over his legal freedom prevented the club from marketing him at market value and thus bringing in serious money to prevent a breach. It’s a complicated argument and one Everton failed on regarding Sigurdsson, but it is a possible option should a breach occur. Equally we’ve got fans that serve as KC’s in Sports Law such as Nick DeMarco, so they will have access to elite lawyers in that event.
With the volume of players that will be available in the summer I'd imagine that the club will have several options and I'm hoping that Christian Nourry will implement a club strategy and be a bit more savvy when dealing with players and their agents. Paying stupid wages is a recipe for disaster and we need somebody to set some limits.
I still find it incredible (if true) that we agreed to pay the likes of Begovic and Cook £30k/week.
There will be plenty of players being released in the summer and as already mentioned by Kingfisher it's possible that Isaac Hayden will be high on Marti's list.
......I think a lot of summer dealings will hinge upon two things. 1 - Offloading Taylor Richards and 2 - Dykes having a successful European Championships and being sold at an inflated fee off of the back of it.......
As an ex-consultant, self-employed, I am staggered that clubs do not have a trigger clause when the person has failed to deliver their product over a sustained or defined period. Taylor Richards is earning but, for whatever reason, has not provided his services for far too long and the club should be able to dispense with his services or demand he provides a suitable replacement. That is what happens in the commercial world!