I would have liked to have seen a rule where maybe they allowed 9 subs on the bench, but 2 had to be below a certain age and if you used all 5 subs one of the 5 had to be one of the youth players.
I just think otherwise rules like this benefit the bigger teams with better squads.
Heading towards the rugby union model, where you have virtually 2 teams across the 90 minutes. It really benefits teams with big squads. Bring on the defence team if you’re 1-0 up. Bring on the attack team if you’re 1-0 down. It will also benefit high intensive pressing. And ageing players that can’t do the full 90. I think 3 is plenty.
The EFL have confirmed that we will be able to use 5 subs next season. Still only 7 named on the bench, but 5 can come on - like it was at the end of 19/20 in the period after covid. The subs can come on in 3 opportunities and at half time.
I would have liked to have seen a rule where maybe they allowed 9 subs on the bench, but 2 had to be below a certain age and if you used all 5 subs one of the 5 had to be one of the youth players. I just think otherwise rules like this benefit the bigger teams with better squads.
I am presuming the clubs themselves voted this in? It is hard to understand how a majority of EFL clubs could not see that this ruling benefits the sides with better depth of quality in their squad! The only tangible benefit for all the clubs is the ability to replace players who develop a 'twinge' before it becomes a tear....
I do like the caveat of insisting 2 subs (at least) have to be 21 years old or under!
I am presuming the clubs themselves voted this in? It is hard to understand how a majority of EFL clubs could not see that this ruling benefits the sides with better depth of quality in their squad! The only tangible benefit for all the clubs is the ability to replace players who develop a 'twinge' before it becomes a tear....
I do like the caveat of insisting 2 subs (at least) have to be 21 years old or under!
They must have done. Seems bonkers, but when you listened to Warburton last season all he ever went on about was "demands on players" so I think even we would have voted for it.
Mainly I think 3 subs is enough.
But I just don't like how teams can do what Barnsley did in 20/21 where they changed all 3 strikers at half time to give them incredible energy in both halves. Neither they - nor the manager at West Brom - could be as successful with just 3 subs.
The caveat of 2 subs being under a certain age was just an idea, that will not get implemented and is a missed opportunity.
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They must have done. Seems bonkers, but when you listened to Warburton last season all he ever went on about was "demands on players" so I think even we would have voted for it.
Mainly I think 3 subs is enough.
But I just don't like how teams can do what Barnsley did in 20/21 where they changed all 3 strikers at half time to give them incredible energy in both halves. Neither they - nor the manager at West Brom - could be as successful with just 3 subs.
The caveat of 2 subs being under a certain age was just an idea, that will not get implemented and is a missed opportunity.
That brings up another aspect of having 5 subs northwesthoop: do you change your transfer policy to make a greater impact of substitutions - e.g. getting more strikers into your squad?
As Ghost points out, it will end up with a situation where teams are bringing on entire new 11s according to the way the game is which will kill football as we know it. It isn’t a surprise that this is happening at a time when American investors are coming into the game; they effectively want to turn football into an NFL and milk it for as much as they can. It’s also why independent governance is vital , so clubs can’t just vote through whatever they like. I’m also against the 26 man squads for World Cups, I think that should stay at 23 but nobody’s brave to say no.
I find the lack of resistance to changes bizarre. The game has worked for nearly 150 years and there will come a point where it ceases to be the game we all fell in love with. There should be certain non-negotiables. Three subs for me is one, though I’m not against the extra sub in extra time for cup games, but no more than that.
I sincerely worry about the future of this game. Dreading the day we see ‘kickers’ come on just to take the occasional free-kick and penalty. It doesn’t add to the spectacle, it tarnishes it.
The three substitutions creates a mental dimension to management too; how to stifle a game, how to control it, when to change, who to change it with. It helps separate the good from bad. If you can now just chuck five on anywhere and whenever you like, that quality is lost and the next wave of managers coming through are inferior. But I suppose that’s the point isn’t it? These people in charge of the clubs don’t want the game to be physically and mentally challenge, they don’t want a challenge at all. They’re often hedge fund investors who want guaranteed returns on their money. They don’t get that when the competition is tight and more intense. They want it to be a stroll, almost a forgone conclusion before a ball has been kicked, just so long as it keeps the tills ringing. A lot has been made, rightfully, about the involvement of states such as Qatar, Saudi, etc in the game. But US hedgefund managers and consortiums are equally as dangerous and toxic to the continued existence of this beautiful game.
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Post by northwesthoop on Jun 14, 2022 12:07:23 GMT
The fact that clubs will literally change their transfer targets now because of the 5 sub rule shows it is wrong. Teams will be looking for extra attackers to load the bench. I just don't understand why this needed to change. As jrperry1882 says above, an extra sub in extra time was fine. We don't need 5 every game.
We will see a lot more players coming on and going back off too. Striker comes on 82 minutes, scores on 88, subbed straight off for a defender.
The World Cup squad thing is ridiculous. 23 man squads was too many, there were always players who weren't involved. 26 is madness.
I see they are now talking about replacing throw in's with kick in's. Why the sudden need to change the most successful and popular game in the world??
I see they are now talking about replacing throw in's with kick in's. Why the sudden need to change the most successful and popular game in the world??
I'm with you on this one. What made this even stranger for me was that this change has been suggested by Arsene Wenger the so called "Professor of Football".
Post by northwesthoop on Jun 15, 2022 11:58:48 GMT
Exactly, he loves the ball on the ground but wouldn't kick ins create a situation where teams just lump it into the opposition box at any opportunity from any distance? Especially late in games.
I see they are now talking about replacing throw in's with kick in's. Why the sudden need to change the most successful and popular game in the world??
I'm with you on this one. What made this even stranger for me was that this change has been suggested by Arsene Wenger the so called "Professor of Football".
I could say it is nice for the original game to be catching up with walking football in having 'kick-ins', but it seems a really weird change! On the question of the change to 5 subs from 3 - is this a trail for a set period? If so, how will they determine whether it has been a success or a failure...?
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