Final 2 pre-season matches - Palace & the Stones

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Final 2 pre-season matches - Palace & the Stones Jul 24, 2022 14:10:42 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Jul 24, 2022 14:10:42 GMT

Jul 24, 2022 12:28:07 GMT singlespeed said:

It just adds fuel to the fire
Why did we get rid of warburton then
Beale will probably not be able to improve on last season

I think that the writing was on the wall for Warburton when he didn't want to stick with the club's policy of developing youngsters. It didnt help when he seemed to show a bit of petulance by not fielding a full bench of subs when he could have included a Development player for a bit of experience. Bringing in players like Wallace, Ball, Austin Johansen etc., needs to bear fruit sooner rather than later and if it doesn't work than your days are numbered.

There was also the Warburton comments about a lack of communication that wouldn't have gone down well. Unfortunately, for Warburton he knew that as a manager it's about success on the pitch today and once we got all those injuries and our form dipped he knew his time was up.

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Final 2 pre-season matches - Palace & the Stones Jul 24, 2022 14:52:07 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Jul 24, 2022 14:52:07 GMT

Brilliant post stoatey on the match.

I think it's certain Warburton lost his job because of fall outs within the club. Because on the pitch the only way you'd know we had a new manager is the formation. I don't feel like Beale has us playing THAT differently. As you've said we have the same issues in many areas of the pitch.

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jimjams Terry Fenwick Posts: 2,392	Final 2 pre-season matches - Palace & the Stones Jul 24, 2022 21:00:36 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by jimjams on Jul 24, 2022 21:00:36 GMT Yeah, spot on with both posts Stoatey I was a big MW fan but the more I've heard over the last few months the more I believe he did it to himself

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Final 2 pre-season matches - Palace & the Stones Jul 25, 2022 8:23:43 GMT via mobile

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Post by kingfisher on Jul 25, 2022 8:23:43 GMT

Well reported stoatey. For me, reliant upon a boat's limited bandwidth, that gave me a good insight beyond the result.
With regard to the difference (aka improvement) between MW and MB, I think it was never going to be that dramatic a change. It is widely accepted that Warburton introduced a better form of football, upon which Beale is adding greater pace and even more attack-minded play. Palace demonstrated how this style of play needs to be well executed (by all of the team) or else be punished. Two potential saving graces:these are early days in the transition and some we can expect to make a difference have yet to be signed or return from injury.

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Final 2 pre-season matches - Palace & the Stones Jul 25, 2022 9:10:12 GMT via mobile

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Post by jrperry1882 on Jul 25, 2022 9:10:12 GMT

Jul 24, 2022 11:22:46 GMT jimjams said:

"I foresaw that Beale would be bad news for Jimmy Dunne (see the Michael Beale thread on the site), but leaving him out is going to cause dismay amongst fans and increase tension towards Beale if results go against us"

I don't see this at all... If results go against us I seriously doubt the exclusion of Dunne will be seen as the reason unless Clarke Salter is shit and is the main reason we are losing games.

And if either of our CB are consistently shit I'm sure Dunne will come back in.

I’m not saying the exclusion of Dunne will ‘be the reason’ for a run of bad form or defeats. But by virtue of being out of the team he will become the vehicle through which displeasure at the results will be communicated, and that will then increase pressure on Beale to pick him. And if he then refuses to, and results continue to suffer, that will intensify pressure to a point where he will lose support of the fans.

What I am trying to say is that by leaving Dunne out he is possibly creating a rod for his own back because the popular opinion is Dunne is the mustard and one of the better players in the team.
If you take Warburton as an example last season, he could have eased a lot of the pressure on him by simply chucking some young lads in; give Armstrong, Drewe, Mema, Da Silva all minutes and the accusation from the board that he’s not developing young players simply wouldn’t have been there. He wouldn’t have given the board a get out of jail free card to sack him with.

It’s about playing the PR game here. And if I was Beale I’d be conscious of the dangers of leaving a fans favourite out of the team, particularly when he is as young and inexperienced in the managerial circuit as he is. And I’d suggest he should pick Dunne to begin with, and phase Clarke-Salter in, if he genuinely has more faith in him than Jimmy

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Final 2 pre-season matches - Palace & the Stones Jul 25, 2022 10:07:31 GMT

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Post by jimjams on Jul 25, 2022 10:07:31 GMT

It’s about playing the PR game here. And if I was Beale I’d be conscious of the dangers of leaving a fans favourite out of the team, particularly when he is as young and inexperienced in the managerial circuit as he is. And I’d suggest he should pick Dunne to begin with, and phase Clarke-Salter in, if he genuinely has more faith in him than Jimmy

I did get your point, I just don't believe "he will become the vehicle through which displeasure at the results will be communicated"...not unless there is a clear link between bad results and the defense.

I think a far more likely scenario is that fans will forget how toothless we were at the end of last season and expect the same number of goals and free flowing attacking football as we had in the first half of last season...they will ask why we let MW go if Beale can't get the same number of goals out of the team.

That god awful last 12 games where we couldn't seem to get the ball over the halfway line is the number 1 problem that Beale has to fix...if the last three years has shown us anything it is that the fan base will forgive a lot, even losing, if they get the entertainment of goals being scored.

If you take Warburton as an example last season, he could have eased a lot of the pressure on him by simply chucking some young lads in

This I completely agree with and what I was referring to earlier...once it was clear we weren't making the playoffs why the hell did MW continue to be so stubborn about not playing youth players and not even putting them on the bench?

I don't see that happening under Beale.

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Final 2 pre-season matches - Palace & the Stones Jul 25, 2022 11:07:42 GMT via mobile

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Post by jrperry1882 on Jul 25, 2022 11:07:42 GMT

Jul 25, 2022 10:07:31 GMT jimjams said:

It’s about playing the PR game here. And if I was Beale I’d be conscious of the dangers of leaving a fans favourite out of the team, particularly when he is as young and inexperienced in the managerial circuit as he is. And I’d suggest he should pick Dunne to begin with, and phase Clarke-Salter in, if he genuinely has more faith in him than Jimmy

I did get your point, I just don't believe "he will become the vehicle through which displeasure at the results will be communicated"...not unless there is a clear link between bad results and the defense.

I think a far more likely scenario is that fans will forget how toothless we were at the end of last season and expect the same number of goals and free flowing attacking football as we had in the first half of last season...they will ask why we let MW go if Beale can't get the same number of goals out of the team.

That god awful last 12 games where we couldn't seem to get the ball over the halfway line is the number 1 problem that Beale has to fix...if the last three years has shown us anything it is that the fan base will forgive a lot, even losing, if they get the entertainment of goals being scored.

If you take Warburton as an example last season, he could have eased a lot of the pressure on him by simply chucking some young lads in

This I completely agree with and what I was referring to earlier...once it was clear we weren't making the playoffs why the hell did MW continue to be so stubborn about not playing youth players and not even putting them on the bench?

I don't see that happening under Beale.

I didn’t expect Armstrong to become that vehicle last season, but he has built a rapport with supporters simply by not being picked. Footballs a weird game. Dominic Ball had it last season too, even though there was actually nothing wrong with the defensive side of the midfield 🤷‍♂️ so who knows… there is though always one. And I do still think there’s a danger it’ll be Dunne. I just think by not picking him Beale maybe making things harder for himself than it needs to be. If the goals start to go in I’d expect a dropping to a back 3 again which probably means Dunne plays.

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