Charlton Vs QPR

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Charlton Vs QPR Jun 22, 2020 10:05:15 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Jun 22, 2020 10:05:15 GMT

Match thread started early this week as today they moved the kick off on Saturday to 12.30 so just making people aware.

I think we could see a few changes for this game:
Cameron will certainly start.
Manning deserves to be dropped.
Shodipo in my view is worthy of a start over Chair.

I'd go with:

Kelly
Rangel Masterson Barbet Wallace
Ball Cameron
BOS Eze Shodipo
Hugill

If Masterson misses out Cameron will be centre half with Amos in his place in midfield.

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Charlton Vs QPR Jun 22, 2020 11:23:43 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Jun 22, 2020 11:23:43 GMT

As a club we are a bit of a shambles, we have 2 central defenders out on loan and another one who is being paid by the club but doesn't want to play because it might affect his free transfer.

To keep the bench warm we have extended the loan of a 19yo who is just a £10m misfit.

There are non league teams who are run better than us.

Warburton has tried both Cameron and Wallace in Central Defence with disastrous consequences surely he won't repeat will he!

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Charlton Vs QPR Jun 22, 2020 13:23:46 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Jun 22, 2020 13:23:46 GMT

Jun 22, 2020 11:23:43 GMT stoatey said:

Warburton has tried both Cameron and Wallace in Central Defence with disastrous consequences surely he won't repeat will he!

Yes he will, almost certainly if Masterson isn't fit.

Although I agree neither have covered themselves in glory playing in central defence before, there is no way I see him playing a youth player ahead of them.

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Charlton Vs QPR Jun 23, 2020 10:09:11 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Jun 23, 2020 10:09:11 GMT

I think your team selection to start is spot on northwesthoop and for the reason you gave. I also am concerned that Masterson is injured and who will replace him. Neither Wallace or Cameron or Ball (you forgot him) have covered well for injured CBs in the past and, in all fairness, it takes a while to get into the CB mentality I suppose. To have Hall too frightened of injury to play makes it even more galling. I now really hope Andy Sinton does not consider introducing into the Hall of Fame the missing Grant Hall. My opinion of him has plummeted!

Rant over and back to the game against Charlton... I cannot see Charlton adopting any different tactics from Barnsley. After all - they did work! So Warburton has to be better prepared to push players up the field and create spaces, whilst fighting for those all-important second balls. QPR are never going to be a team that dominates in the air, but we should hone our ball-hunting skills because when we do that we are formidable! Although I worry about our defence coping and our midfield not competing, I think our biggest problem is up front. Hugill cannot (and should not) do it all by himself. that makes it too easy for defenders. What is required is Hugill to hold the ball up long enough for Eze or BOS or Chair or Amos or whoever to score too. That did not happen against Barnsley if you discard tame shots from Chair & Eze.

Thursday add-on: Sports Mole has predicted a 0-1 victory because Charlton seem more motivated basically - www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/qpr/preview/preview-charlton-athletic-vs-qpr-prediction-team-news-lineups_403708.html

Last Edit: Jun 25, 2020 16:15:28 GMT by kingfisher

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Charlton Vs QPR Jun 25, 2020 23:03:04 GMT

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Post by stoatey on Jun 25, 2020 23:03:04 GMT

Jun 23, 2020 10:09:11 GMT kingfisher said:

I think your team selection to start is spot on northwesthoop and for the reason you gave. I also am concerned that Masterson is injured and who will replace him. Neither Wallace or Cameron or Ball (you forgot him) have covered well for injured CBs in the past and, in all fairness, it takes a while to get into the CB mentality I suppose. To have Hall too frightened of injury to play makes it even more galling. I now really hope Andy Sinton does not consider introducing into the Hall of Fame the missing Grant Hall. My opinion of him has plummeted!

Rant over and back to the game against Charlton... I cannot see Charlton adopting any different tactics from Barnsley. After all - they did work! So Warburton has to be better prepared to push players up the field and create spaces, whilst fighting for those all-important second balls. QPR are never going to be a team that dominates in the air, but we should hone our ball-hunting skills because when we do that we are formidable! Although I worry about our defence coping and our midfield not competing, I think our biggest problem is up front. Hugill cannot (and should not) do it all by himself. that makes it too easy for defenders. What is required is Hugill to hold the ball up long enough for Eze or BOS or Chair or Amos or whoever to score too. That did not happen against Barnsley if you discard tame shots from Chair & Eze.

Thursday add-on: Sports Mole has predicted a 0-1 victory because Charlton seem more motivated basically - www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/qpr/preview/preview-charlton-athletic-vs-qpr-prediction-team-news-lineups_403708.html

The motivation factor is the key to all our remaining games and it's where we will see what Warbuton is made of. The players know we aren't going to be challenging for a play off spot and we are not going down. Ideally I think that the majority of our squad wanted the season to be abandoned so they could get on with planning other things.

The issue of motivation is going to be a real challenge because our first team squad is now so thin that competition for places is almost non existent. The fact that Warburton favours a 4-2-3-1 formation means the team selection revolves around no more than the following :

Kelly is Warburton's favourite so he will definitely be starting in goal.
Rangel has to start or why extend his contract.
Masterson and Barbet are our only 2 central defenders
The left sided defender role is a straight shoot out between Manning or Wallace, neither are good enough but at least there will be some competition.
Amos is not a central midfielder which leaves Cameron and Ball as the only candidates
BOS and Eze are the first names on the team sheet and and are guaranteed to play even though they are both contemplating life away from Loftus Road.
The third midfield role is probably the the only one that we have some real competition and this will be a straight fight between Chair, Amos and Shodipo.
Up front Hugill is a calamity but there is nobody else.

Last Edit: Jun 25, 2020 23:04:49 GMT by stoatey

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Charlton Vs QPR Jun 26, 2020 1:55:20 GMT

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Post by ranger-boy on Jun 26, 2020 1:55:20 GMT

Hopefully the fact we're away will help us play without pressure on Saturday, and hopefully get a result to give us some confidence ahead of Fulham! Hopefull no Taylor for Charlton will work to our advantage.

It'll be depressing watching this game, knowing I could've been there for a great St Patricks night out!

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Charlton Vs QPR Jun 26, 2020 11:33:33 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Jun 26, 2020 11:33:33 GMT

Jun 26, 2020 1:55:20 GMT ranger-boy said:

Hopefully the fact we're away will help us play without pressure on Saturday, and hopefully get a result to give us some confidence ahead of Fulham! Hopefull no Taylor for Charlton will work to our advantage.

It'll be depressing watching this game, knowing I could've been there for a great St Patricks night out!

I knew it would not be easy against Barnsley but could not imagine we would lose; and I am starting to wonder if 'contrary QPR' will surprise us by decimating Charlton! We never seem to do things the easy way!!

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northwesthoop Stan Bowles @admin Posts: 12,649	Charlton Vs QPR Jun 26, 2020 14:13:50 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by northwesthoop on Jun 26, 2020 14:13:50 GMT We were so bad last week I just can't see how we improve so many levels to get something from this game.
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Charlton Vs QPR Jun 26, 2020 17:06:05 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Jun 26, 2020 17:06:05 GMT

Jun 26, 2020 14:13:50 GMT northwesthoop said:

We were so bad last week I just can't see how we improve so many levels to get something from this game.

It is a tall order for sure! I know Warburton has gone on about 'angry words in the dressing room' and determined training, but this is another side trying to avoid the relegation axe...

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Charlton Vs QPR Jun 26, 2020 17:24:45 GMT

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Post by ranger-boy on Jun 26, 2020 17:24:45 GMT

The first game back for all clubs is like the opening game of pre-season, some will be more prepared than others and others will be slower out of the blocks. There were signs of promise in the second half last week to say to me that we will be better tomorrow.

IF I’m wrong and we’re equally as bad tomorrow, then I’ll happily come on here to hold my hands up and admit I was completely wrong.

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Charlton Vs QPR Jun 27, 2020 10:18:51 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Jun 27, 2020 10:18:51 GMT

Jun 26, 2020 17:24:45 GMT ranger-boy said:

....IF I’m wrong and we’re equally as bad tomorrow, then I’ll happily come on here to hold my hands up and admit I was completely wrong.

Interesting that you should mention that ranger-boy because I have just heard a long interview with Ollie on BBC R5 Live, and some of it revolved around regret and admitting he had made mistakes! We all know he wears his heart on his sleeve but I did not realise his early days were plagued by a temper, stubbornness and pettiness. (When at Bristol Rovers he refused to have ANYTHING red in the ground, so when the captain's car broke down and someone warned he was going to be late and using his wife's red car Ollie sprang into action. He waited for him at the top of the road, paid for him to park the offending red item there, and drove him into the training ground!) The interviewer showed him two calendars and they talked about the (art) images on them, and his anger issues being resolved these days, before the interviewer unveiled the third calendar - of Bristol City FC! Ollie admitted years ago he would have used the sheets in the toilet, but said he would nowadays donate it to a BC fan.

Then he was asked a very interesting question: Which club would you most like to go back to? Thoughts of his glory days at Blackpool or being again at QPR or Bristol Rovers (the clubs he played for) came to mind but, in typical Ollie fashion, he chose Plymouth Argyle. The reason was that he thought he did not do a good enough job there and wanted to go back and make amends! What a contrast to other managers looking for wealth and fame!!

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Charlton Vs QPR Jun 27, 2020 10:39:08 GMT

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Post by northwesthoop on Jun 27, 2020 10:39:08 GMT

One change to the line up > Cameron replaces Amos.

Manning perhaps lucky to keep his place but Wallace doesn't even make the bench.

Chair also perhaps lucky to keep his place.

Glad to see Masterson fit after his scare.

We do have 9 players on the bench this week

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Charlton Vs QPR Jun 27, 2020 10:52:48 GMT

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Post by kingfisher on Jun 27, 2020 10:52:48 GMT

Here is the full list:

Kelly;
Rangel, Masterson, Barbet, Manning;
Cameron, Ball;
Osayi-Samuel, Chair, Eze;
Hugill.

Subs: Lumley, Kane, Amos, Clarke, Oteh, Shodipo, Kakay, Bettache, Gubbins

Interesting indeed that Wallace did not even make the bench and, amongst an attack-minded list of subs we have two wingers on it!

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