It looks like Hugill will not recover from his injury before the end of July so does that mean he has played his last game for us.
Interestingly the report also stated that when we took him on loan for the 2019/20 season the agreement was that we would pay £20,000 per week of his £33,000 per week wages with no additional loan fee.
So he cost us around a million pounds for the season if that is accurate!
I know we should never assume anything but if they agreed a similer deal with Burnley for Wells that is significant wages for just 2 players. The question is, was it money well spent and IMO it was because their goals have kept us in the Championship.
Going forward though I just cant see us being able to afford these types of wages and unless we can unearth some hidden gem of a goal scorer we are going to be really struggling to avoid the drop next year.
Post by northwesthoop on Jul 13, 2020 18:23:12 GMT
The problem with that outlay is it only gets us to the same league position, so is it really worth it?
With every passing defeat I'm more inclined to say we'd be better off going down to League 1 to come back up (hopefully) with more of a winning mentality. It would certainly be more enjoyable.
When we went down to Division 2 as it was then we got promoted in 2004 and then went up again in 2011.
We are already heading into our 6th seasom at this level. We need something to change soon.
I get what you’re saying but League One is not so easy to get out of - ask Sunderland and Ipswich.
Would a fight to get in the top 6 of League 1 next season be more enjoyable than letting in over 70 goals, losing half the games and finishing 16-19th again?
Some may say No, but to me this treading water is getting a bit boring.
Fans won't keep turning up if the only goal is to meet FFP.
When we were in the Premiership the same thing was said about being more competitive and winning games by dropping back into the championship. It doesn't necessarily follow that just because we are in a lower league we are going to win games.
I also don't understand why anyone would want us to get relegated to then have to battle to get back to where we were. As pointed out by Ghost you only have to look at Sunderland, Ipswich and even Portsmouth to see that big, well supported clubs who get relegated don't always bounce back.
Fans are fickle and whilst we all want our club to be successful we are all at the mercy of how the club is lead and run by its owners and who they appoint as manager.
You only have to look at what's happening over at Kew to see how a club can be run on a small budget. Their owner doesn't come up with false promises he is ahead of the game and backs his own judgement and employees managers who can carry out a plan to move the club forward. Warburton couldn't so they got rid, the next guy they admitted was wrong and was removed 1 month into the season. They then got Dean Smith who stayed for 3 years before being head hunted by Villa who he got promoted. Next was Thomas Frank who has taken them to the brink of the Premiership.
Our owners have taken us in the complete opposite direction and offer nothing but false promises. If they ever had a plan it has never seemed to revolve around the team. TF is a self admitted West Ham fan who loves to tweet and has mismanaged QPR from day one.
I also don't understand why anyone would want us to get relegated to then have to battle to get back to where we were. As pointed out by Ghost you only have to look at Sunderland, Ipswich and even Portsmouth to see that big, well supported clubs who get relegated don't always bounce back.
I don't want us to go down, I just want some excitement, a promotion push or tense end of the season.
I know there are no guarantees that we'd go down and come back up. It took us 3 seasons in Division 2 last time - but weren't they 3 of the best/most enjoyable seasons in recent memory?
I always stand by the fact that it didn't matter what League you are in, Saturday night feels better when you've won.
It took us 3 seasons in Division 2 last time - but weren't they 3 of the best/most enjoyable seasons in recent memory?
I always stand by the fact that it didn't matter what League you are in, Saturday night feels better when you've won.
I agree that winning is the best part of being a fan but I would prefer we win games in the Championship or the Premiership than in Leagues 1 or 2.
Portsmouth, Ipswich and Sunderland all win loads of games in League 1 but is that acceptable to their fans if they don't get promoted at the end of the season?
Their fan sites are full of tales of woe and how they have failed because they never made it into the Championship. Despite winning lots of games they deem their season to be a failure because they want to be were we already are.
You mention our dalliance into Division 2 but apart from our runner up spot in 2003/4 my memories were more of frustration when we finished 8th in 2001/2 and 4th in 2002/3 because we were expected to win.
For me the Championship winning season under Neil Warnock in 2010/11 was much more exciting although not quite as good as 1975/76 when we should have been League 1 champions.
Everyone to their own though and it would be interesting to hear what the others think.
Post by northwesthoop on Jul 14, 2020 14:24:01 GMT
I'd rather win at a higher level of course. And I know it's not a guaranteed scenario but I'm just saying I'd rather be battling for promotion in League 1 than another season(s) in this position.
I think my argument is very specifically about where QPR are at now. We are almost certain to be, at best, in the same position in 12 months time. Give me a promotion season over that any day.
I have no doubt if went down to League 1 we'd make a pigs ear of it, but if I was offered a good season in League 1 over another season like this I'd take it.
As a squad built on the cheap QPR has not done badly and, as I keep mentioning, we have not been relegated whilst buying from the 'bargain bucket'. In fact, given that our squad last year was full of Premiership-waged players (if not perhaps quality) the current team has done well - especially when you consider the lack of depth in the side (such as cover for Hugill or Wells). Then you add on the pleasing to watch style of footer we now try to play under Warburton and you must admit the Rs have (overall) done well. What is not acceptable though is the poor performances since the restart. Certain players have not stepped up to assist when Wells was removed and Hugill became injured. You need your attacking midfielders to become more dynamic, more adventurous and (especially) try to score goals! For next season I do not want us relegated, but equally I do not want us involved in another mid-table drop into boredom!! The answer lies in clever use of the transfer market to obtain replacements for Cameron, Rangel, Kane, and (most importantly) 2-3 strikers - a tall order, especially when you consider they must also fit into the Warburton mould.
Nobody has got to 15 league goals and I think we will struggle to push on to the next level until somebody manages that.
We all hoped it would be Charlie Austin this season. We also hoped Dykes would go to the next level after getting 12 last season. Those extra goals would really have made the difference between us finishing 11th or staying in the Top 6.
If we go back further...
Since relegation from the top flight in 1996 QPR have spent 20 seasons in the 2nd tier and only 4 players have scored 15+ league goals in a season at this level:
John Spencer - 1996/97 (17) Paul Furlong - 2004/05 (18) Adel Taarabt - 2010/11 (19) Charlie Austin - 2013/14 (17)
So we only get a striker pushing north of 15 goals at this level once every 5 years on average.
I know all of us want the next new striker and the next person to bag all the goals but it is a lot easier said than done.
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I'm not sure it's as simple as that...surely the only thing that really matters is team goals scored/conceded
We scored 60 goals this season against 64, 63, 63 for Huddersfield, Sheffield and Luton respectively. I'd go so far as to say I'm very happy to keep spreading the goals out amongst the squad rather than have a really prolific striker...look what happed to Blackburn
I know we all know this but the facts are these...are defense was decimated by injuries in the second half of the season and we started conceding goals again like we did in the early MW days.
Of our three strikers Gray as the third choice striker did his job, Dykes after a great run early on lost his way and was also injured for a long while and as for Austin...as has been discussed he went from club hero to Sunday pub team player overnight.
It was the goals against that did for us in the end.
Post by northwesthoop on May 13, 2022 11:15:06 GMT
That is very true jimjams. If the goals can be spread out it does alleviate the problem.
But I still believe if we had a striker get 15+ this season we'd have been Top 6. I know teams can finish bottom half and still have a good striker (after all Austin got 18 for us when we finished bottom of the Premier League), but in our specific case this season to only have 1 player in double figures (and 2 of them were pens) it did harm our chances in my view.