Its always good to score lots of goals but even more significant not to concede. As everyone knows we suffered plenty of injuries in the 2nd half of the season and our form went to pot. Our first major injury was Dieng who got injured against Birmingham in our 24th league match. Interestingly that was just about halfway through our league season. If we now compare the first 23 games with the 2nd 23 games when the injuries took place, it shows that,
In our first 23 league games of this season (2021/22) we scored 35 goals and conceded 29 goals. Points gained 38.
In the last 23 league games we scored 25 goals but conceded 30 goals. Points gained 28.
The surprising thing for me was that even though we lost Dieng and one of our key defenders in Dickie we only conceded one more goal in the second half of the season when compared to the first half of the season. Derby conceded 6 less goals than we did.
The most significant difference was in the goals scored and the points gained. I wouldn't suggest it was the only reason but the injury to Willock and his attacking contribution seems to have been a huge factor when comparing the two halves of the season.
NWH I tend to agree with you that having a prolific goal scorer is great for the team and more so for the fans it gives you hope in tight games that he can produce a moment to win the game, but of the 5 players that scored 20+ goals this season only 2 were promoted
Post by northwesthoop on May 13, 2022 14:55:50 GMT
You both put up some greats stats there stoatey and kensalr
Your stats stoatey do tend to suggest our flow of goals dried up and that ties in with what we were seeing on the pitch - we didn't have that same verve and attacking style in the second half of the campaign.
kensalr your stats back up what jimjams said that a high goal scorer is no guarantee of success BUT I would still counter that by saying the top 2 teams each had one of the top 2 strikers in the league.
If we could land ourselves that elusive hitman I remain convinced we'd be in a better place.
Its always good to score lots of goals but even more significant not to concede. As everyone knows we suffered plenty of injuries in the 2nd half of the season and our form went to pot. Our first major injury was Dieng who got injured against Birmingham in our 24th league match. Interestingly that was just about halfway through our league season. If we now compare the first 23 games with the 2nd 23 games when the injuries took place, it shows that,
In our first 23 league games of this season (2021/22) we scored 35 goals and conceded 29 goals. Points gained 38.
In the last 23 league games we scored 25 goals but conceded 30 goals. Points gained 28.
The surprising thing for me was that even though we lost Dieng and one of our key defenders in Dickie we only conceded one more goal in the second half of the season when compared to the first half of the season. Derby conceded 6 less goals than we did.
The most significant difference was in the goals scored and the points gained. I wouldn't suggest it was the only reason but the injury to Willock and his attacking contribution seems to have been a huge factor when comparing the two halves of the season.
This suggests then that losing Dieng was not as significant as we’d like to think? And I’m not so sure on the Willock one either? Okay he missed the last 9 games, but our season was already in free-fall by this point wasn’t it? Didn’t everything collapse post-Peterborough in the Cup?
In the last 9 Legaue games we were without him we had as many games where we didn’t score as we did in the previous 9.
Last Edit: May 13, 2022 16:41:49 GMT by jrperry1882
Its always good to score lots of goals but even more significant not to concede. As everyone knows we suffered plenty of injuries in the 2nd half of the season and our form went to pot. Our first major injury was Dieng who got injured against Birmingham in our 24th league match. Interestingly that was just about halfway through our league season. If we now compare the first 23 games with the 2nd 23 games when the injuries took place, it shows that,
In our first 23 league games of this season (2021/22) we scored 35 goals and conceded 29 goals. Points gained 38.
In the last 23 league games we scored 25 goals but conceded 30 goals. Points gained 28.
The surprising thing for me was that even though we lost Dieng and one of our key defenders in Dickie we only conceded one more goal in the second half of the season when compared to the first half of the season. Derby conceded 6 less goals than we did.
The most significant difference was in the goals scored and the points gained. I wouldn't suggest it was the only reason but the injury to Willock and his attacking contribution seems to have been a huge factor when comparing the two halves of the season.
This suggests then that losing Dieng was not as significant as we’d like to think? I disagree, whilst the figures show that we may have conceeded a similer number of goals we actually achieved 10 more points. Dieng was often the starting point for many of the goals we scored and as we saw in the game against Swansea his ability to make accurate long passes from his goalmouth regurlarly puts the opposition under pressure.
And I’m not so sure on the Willock one either? Okay he missed the last 9 games, but our season was already in free-fall by this point wasn’t it? Didn’t everything collapse post-Peterborough in the Cup? Whilst I agree that the team was in poor form after the Peterborough game IMO we are much better with Willock in the team.
In the last 9 Legaue games we were without him we had as many games where we didn’t score as we did in the previous 9. Willock only played in 8 of last 18 games and in those games where he played we scored 9 goals (1.13 goals per game). In the other 10 games that he missed we scored just 7 (0.7 goals per game). His assists were as significant as his goals.
This suggests then that losing Dieng was not as significant as we’d like to think? I disagree, whilst the figures show that we may have conceeded a similer number of goals we actually achieved 10 more points. Dieng was often the starting point for many of the goals we scored and as we saw in the game against Swansea his ability to make accurate long passes from his goalmouth regurlarly puts the opposition under pressure.
And I’m not so sure on the Willock one either? Okay he missed the last 9 games, but our season was already in free-fall by this point wasn’t it? Didn’t everything collapse post-Peterborough in the Cup? Whilst I agree that the team was in poor form after the Peterborough game IMO we are much better with Willock in the team.
In the last 9 Legaue games we were without him we had as many games where we didn’t score as we did in the previous 9. Willock only played in 8 of last 18 games and in those games where he played we scored 9 goals (1.13 goals per game). In the other 10 games that he missed we scored just 7 (0.7 goals per game). His assists were as significant as his goals.
I don’t disagree with numbers stoatey whatsoever. And I agree that we’re a better team when Willock plays, that he was the teams shining light all season. But if we take the last 18 games on that average of 1.13gpg, it still only gives us four more points than what we finished the season with, which is not an enormous margin of difference. I accept that in the moment the games could’ve swung different ways and it could’ve been more than 4 points gained and it would’ve seen us finish 8th rather than 11th, which is more acceptable, but I don’t know… it feels bigger than one man and I’m never keen on saying things like ‘if X and Y has stayed fit’, but maybe I’m wrong 🤷♂️
Does the Dieng stat not confirm then that it’s primarily about where/when (i.e. in what games) you score and concede, rather than a one individual? What I mean by that is it’s better to concede 10 goals across two games than it is to concede the same number across five? The numbers suggest we’d have conceded roughly the same amount with or without Dieng, but if the distribution is slightly skewed, then is it not the distribution of goals that’s more damaging?
It's a really good debate, nobody (even Mark Warburton) can probably pinpoint the main cause of the downfall.
These stats all show that we weren't that much better or worse.
I think it comes down to the fact that earlier in the season we just had an edge. I think around 75% of our wins this season were by 1 goal. We just lost that edge...scored a few less, let in a few more... and it didn't take much to turn our results because a lot were close beforehand.
Our results against Blackburn are a great indicator. We won 1-0 with a late goal to steal it in the first game, but it went just the other way in the second game.
It's a really good debate, nobody (even Mark Warburton) can probably pinpoint the main cause of the downfall.
These stats all show that we weren't that much better or worse.
I think it comes down to the fact that earlier in the season we just had an edge. I think around 75% of our wins this season were by 1 goal. We just lost that edge...scored a few less, let in a few more... and it didn't take much to turn our results because a lot were close beforehand.
Our results against Blackburn are a great indicator. We won 1-0 with a late goal to steal it in the first game, but it went just the other way in the second game.
northwesthoop I think numbers suggest we stayed at relatively the same level all season, in the first half it was good enough, in the second it wasn’t. As much as we can say we determined our own destiny, I feel a big chunk of finishing 11th is due to the good teams (Forest, Sheffield United, Boro) getting ‘good’ in the second half of the season.
NWH I tend to agree with you that having a prolific goal scorer is great for the team and more so for the fans it gives you hope in tight games that he can produce a moment to win the game, but of the 5 players that scored 20+ goals this season only 2 were promoted
As jamjam said if you can spread the goals around this my be just as affective
QPR were the only team in the Championship to have 6 players to score 5 or more goals
Gray 10 Chair 9 Dykes 8 Willock 7 Amos 6 Austin 5
not even Fulham can match that and the scored 106 goals
What we need to do is improve our goal difference
Only 5 teams had a goal difference of 10 + and they were all in the top 5
I think your stat above tells a good story kensalr. I still believe the lack of goals from the strikers was our major issue. in a way this was hidden by the goals from the attacking midfield. Had Gray, Austin & Dykes got a dozen each we would surely have made the Play Offs (and be looking to keep either Austin or Gray)!
I understand what you are saying But Bristol City had Wienmann 24 Martin 12 and Semenyo 8 totalling 44 goals and still could only finish 17th
This is because there style of play is to counter attack with speed and get the ball forwards early to there strikers
We do not play in that style usually, we generally play the ball around looking for an opening. Which brings in our attacking midfielders Chair Willock and Amos
I prefer watching the way we play rather than the way Bristol City play. But if the way that they play could guarantee promotion I could be persuaded to change my mind.
I am not saying the we do not need a 20 goal a season striker it would certainly help but on our budget where do we find one and why has nobody else with a bigger budget signed them
I understand what you are saying But Bristol City had Wienmann 24 Martin 12 and Semenyo 8 totalling 44 goals and still could only finish 17th
This is because there style of play is to counter attack with speed and get the ball forwards early to there strikers
We do not play in that style usually, we generally play the ball around looking for an opening. Which brings in our attacking midfielders Chair Willock and Amos
I prefer watching the way we play rather than the way Bristol City play. But if the way that they play could guarantee promotion I could be persuaded to change my mind.
I am not saying the we do not need a 20 goal a season striker it would certainly help but on our budget where do we find one and why has nobody else with a bigger budget signed them
Good point about our style of play involving Chair, Willock and all in AM more than Bristol City's approach, so they would indeed have more chances to score goals along the way. I was not suggesting/hoping for a Mitrovic-level striker guaranteeing 20+ goals - in fact all I wanted this season was a striker to hit a dozen (and two strikers hitting a dozen would have made all the difference in my opinion)!
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