We did actually look like quite good tonight Much better than recent performances The team put in a good show against a decent team and warburton maybe has given himself a second chance now to prove he is the man to keep in charge at loftus road next season
Last Edit: Apr 15, 2022 19:40:37 GMT by singlespeed
If one point out of a possible 18 points and a team safely ensconced in mid table is acceptable to the board then Warburton is the right man for the job.
The likelyhood of a play off place gets more remote by the game but we are nice and safe for another season. If we couple that with the expected sale of one or more of our better players then things are certainly improving.
I'm the biggest critic of the way our board has mismanaged the club but in respect of Warburton they have allowed him to sign a squad of players and given him more money to spend than any recent manager. The board will have had expectations and given Warburton targets based on the money they gave him to spend. To the owners it's about getting a return on their investment and only when the season ends will we find out if Warburton has met their expectations.
I maintain that it's pointless getting rid of him unless they have a better replacement lined up but if they do extend his contract he will have to produce a team that performs throughout the season.
jrperry1882 - good post but hope you are wrong about him going! (I am still in shock at you mentioning Joey Barton and a superb manager in the same sentence (notice how I avoided that))! Emma Hayes will eventually move into the men's game to prove herself, and do very well I suspect, but not next season at QPR - please!
I agree that Hayes will eventually move in to the mens game. And, if I’m honest, I think she’d be sensible to dodge club football to begin with. There could be an issue with credibility — it feels a bit misogynistic to say, but there will inevitably be players who are reluctant to be taught the game by a woman, which could create all sorts of trouble. So I think in order to gain some credibility and respect amongst male players she’d be better suited to beginning at age group football, say for instance England Under 21’s, where she can work with a core of young players and forge a reputation. Realistically I don’t think she’s an option, but if I’m a board member sat around the table, she’s a name I’m definitely throwing into discussion purely to test the temperature of the room.
Last Edit: Apr 16, 2022 5:28:12 GMT by jrperry1882
We did actually look like quite good tonight Much better than recent performances The team put in a good show against a decent team and warburton maybe has given himself a second chance now to prove he is the man to keep in charge at loftus road next season
1 point out of 18
yes in normal circumstances a draw away to Huddersfield would be a good result
had we won 1 or 2 of the previous 5-7 games
he has to go
everytime i see him on the TV now i switch off
nobody can say he hasnt messed this up
like someone said on a previous post elsewhere with Norwich, Watford and either Everton, Leeds or Burnley coming down next term.....THIS season was our chance to push as hard as we could
weve whimpered into a submission before the hard graft even started
had we got at least a point off Peterborough and beat Caridff we would still be in the frame and MW would still be the right man for the job
even if we won the last 4 games of the season it wouldnt guarantee a play off berth
the previous 5-7 games poor form is unacceptable the moment that bad run of 5 losses back to back in a huge part of the campaign cant be justified by the board if it is i will be as shocked as when i heard the news Dyche left Burnley.
if someone told me i would feel this way about MW in January i would have thought people were joking but the Jan and March results have been alarming
the proof is out there that hes lost the confidence of the players in the dressing room
jrperry1882 - good post but hope you are wrong about him going! (I am still in shock at you mentioning Joey Barton and a superb manager in the same sentence (notice how I avoided that))! Emma Hayes will eventually move into the men's game to prove herself, and do very well I suspect, but not next season at QPR - please!
I agree that Hayes will eventually move in to the mens game. And, if I’m honest, I think she’d be sensible to dodge club football to begin with. There could be an issue with credibility — it feels a bit misogynistic to say, but there will inevitably be players who are reluctant to be taught the game by a woman, which could create all sorts of trouble. So I think in order to gain some credibility and respect amongst male players she’d be better suited to beginning at age group football, say for instance England Under 21’s, where she can work with a core of young players and forge a reputation. Realistically I don’t think she’s an option, but if I’m a board member sat around the table, she’s a name I’m definitely throwing into discussion purely to test the temperature of the room.
Emma Hayes into the mens game eh?
cant see it myself
very hard place to crack a changing room full of egos
very different game Mens and Womens football
as for starting at England Under 21 level that would be the worse place to start as they will have more ego than the older heads in some ways and wont for one minute be respectful or mature enough to be able to deal with that massive change within football
I will add one other thing in to the mix here that could prove a factor in any decision to fire-and-hire, and that’s next seasons calendar. The league begins in July due to the World Cup, thus meaning pre-season will either begin earlier or be shorter than usual. Any manager then is going to a) have less time with players and b) a tighter period in which to assess his squad and trade. Consequently it might discourage the board from making any changes at the top. There are only 16 league games (just other a third of the season) before the break in November, where we’ll get four weeks off, and the club are probably looking at that point as a more ideal moment to change managers then the summer. We’d still have the majority of the season left, enough time to resurrect our campaign. And most importantly, at that stage in the season, any new manager would get four weeks to work with players before a ball is even kicked; enough time to settle in and assess his options. And with the January window opening less than a week after the League resuming, it may make more sense to change then and not in the Summer.
I agree that Hayes will eventually move in to the mens game. And, if I’m honest, I think she’d be sensible to dodge club football to begin with. There could be an issue with credibility — it feels a bit misogynistic to say, but there will inevitably be players who are reluctant to be taught the game by a woman, which could create all sorts of trouble. So I think in order to gain some credibility and respect amongst male players she’d be better suited to beginning at age group football, say for instance England Under 21’s, where she can work with a core of young players and forge a reputation. Realistically I don’t think she’s an option, but if I’m a board member sat around the table, she’s a name I’m definitely throwing into discussion purely to test the temperature of the room.
Emma Hayes into the mens game eh?
cant see it myself
very hard place to crack a changing room full of egos
very different game Mens and Womens football
I think a club will be brave enough to try it. They may argue it to be the type of ‘fine margin’ that makes a huge difference. You’d think it would force an ethos change at a club, whoever they be. Players and staff, and perhaps even fans, would have to change the way the operate and certainly how the communicate. If I’m an owner of a pretty secure club looking to gain an advantage, Hayes or even Casey Stoney would come into my thoughts. Whether I’d be brave enough to throw them in though is a different question.
I will add one other thing in to the mix here that could prove a factor in any decision to fire-and-hire, and that’s next seasons calendar. The league begins in July due to the World Cup, thus meaning pre-season will either begin earlier or be shorter than usual. Any manager then is going to a) have less time with players and b) a tighter period in which to assess his squad and trade. Consequently it might discourage the board from making any changes at the top. There are only 16 league games (just other a third of the season) before the break in November, where we’ll get four weeks off, and the club are probably looking at that point as a more ideal moment to change managers then the summer. We’d still have the majority of the season left, enough time to resurrect our campaign. And most importantly, at that stage in the season, any new manager would get four weeks to work with players before a ball is even kicked; enough time to settle in and assess his options. And with the January window opening less than a week after the League resuming, it may make more sense to change then and not in the Summer.
our last point joe would possibly push the board to make a change before the season ends rather than stop them getting a new manager in early next season.
you cant say the past 2 months results have been good enough
i would go as far as saying we are the worse team in the league at the moment for form in the most vital period of the season.
something isnt right
even the very loyal Dom Ball has taken to twitter to have a moan
I will add one other thing in to the mix here that could prove a factor in any decision to fire-and-hire, and that’s next seasons calendar. The league begins in July due to the World Cup, thus meaning pre-season will either begin earlier or be shorter than usual. Any manager then is going to a) have less time with players and b) a tighter period in which to assess his squad and trade. Consequently it might discourage the board from making any changes at the top. There are only 16 league games (just other a third of the season) before the break in November, where we’ll get four weeks off, and the club are probably looking at that point as a more ideal moment to change managers then the summer. We’d still have the majority of the season left, enough time to resurrect our campaign. And most importantly, at that stage in the season, any new manager would get four weeks to work with players before a ball is even kicked; enough time to settle in and assess his options. And with the January window opening less than a week after the League resuming, it may make more sense to change then and not in the Summer.
our last point joe would possibly push the board to make a change before the season ends rather than stop them getting a new manager in early next season.
you cant say the past 2 months results have been good enough
i would go as far as saying we are the worse team in the league at the moment for form in the most vital period of the season.
something isnt right
even the very loyal Dom Ball has taken to twitter to have a moan
dressing room 1 Mark Warburton 0
I agree we are probably one of the worst teams in the division currently, if not the worst. But if you’re the board this season is now a dead rubber, we aren’t getting promoted, we aren’t getting relegated, so why change the manager for the sake of finishing 9th as opposed to 16th? Materially it makes no difference even if it does so admittedly on paper.
My thinking is if you get a new manager in now, you’re paying compensation not only to Warburton, but if you’re recruiting someone in work you are equally paying that compensation too to release him from his contract. If he then struggles up until November, and we find ourselves say in the Bottom Three, fans will call for his head, which then adds another compensation package to pay, plus again another potential package in recruiting, and we end up in a cycle of firing and hiring, throwing money down the drain and at risk of jeopardising the identity of the team. And with the season effectively divided into two stages next season (July-Nov and Dec-May) the club might feel it makes more financial and business sense to keep what we’ve got to get us through to November, where we can take stock and then fix if necessary
We will be torn on if he stays or goes A draw at Huddersfield and Better performance doesn’t suddenly make him the best manager in the world again But the players did at least show they wanted to get something out of last nights game The recent run of form isn’t good enough and poor results against teams like Barnsley and Peterborough but it’s a big decision to change the manager but not a impossible one
Last Edit: Apr 16, 2022 8:14:29 GMT by singlespeed
This is completely wrong. Watch the Huddersfield match when you get chance.
We were behind twice and never gave up. We should have won with the late Amos header.
We never gave up despite the demoralising early own goal. It proved a lot last night that he hasn't lost the dressing room and the fans were back on side too at the end singing "Warburton's Blue and White Army". The performance last night definitely sent a message that he is still the correct manager.
I also think jrperry1882 makes a great point about the calendar next season - give Warburton until the World Cup then we get 6 weeks to take stock and see where we are again.
This is completely wrong. Watch the Huddersfield match when you get chance.
We were behind twice and never gave up. We should have won with the late Amos header.
We never gave up despite the demoralising early own goal. It proved a lot last night that he hasn't lost the dressing room and the fans were back on side too at the end singing "Warburton's Blue and White Army". The performance last night definitely sent a message that he is still the correct manager.
I also think jrperry1882 makes a great point about the calendar next season - give Warburton until the World Cup then we get 6 weeks to take stock and see where we are again.
Watched
unfortunatley he IMO has still lost the dressing room
Johansen on the bench? Gray
have you forgot the past 5 6 or 7 performances before this one?
yes last night was an improvement but too little too late
But that's about performances, not losing the dressing room.
Yes we've been poor, but there is no evidence of players not trying, falling out, looking disgruntled, criticising the manager etc. They all gave 100% last night and played decent; all signs be hasn't lost the dressing room.
Johansen was on the bench because he has been below par anyway, had a knock and couldn't do 2 matches in 3 days.
He's certainly won back some fans with last night's performance too...
please teach me how to be happy with this season end as you seem to be
i need guidance
i thought a point away at Huddersfield would be put under the "too little too late" category......yes a very good point considering what weve witnessed the past 2 months.....but to be celebrating a point against an inferior team IMO is amazing
i really was expecting the minimum of a semi final play off loss and then i would have been happy with MW still being in charge
i didnt want promotion this season
even had we battled every game and missed out on the play offs and finished 7th- 9th i would be all over MW
we have whimpered to 12th or 11th in the league wherever we may now be.......2 wins and we would have still been in the hunt......a win Monday and we could still drag ourselves into the mix (we wont) but if we do MW is one lucky man
hes lost the dressing room
the players are now thinking oh dear weve messed this right up i best pull my socks up or the board might not keep me on or other clubs watching might not want me either